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[DarkXerox]

That's like putting cocaine made in Colombia into a container of flour then shipping it here--it still is a controlled substance by US law and is illegal to import (plus somatropin here is pretty much only made legally by Genentech).

I've reiterated this point over and over again, most of the people running the BC method do not use somatropin! They use cheaper sources of AA's. ~$420 for two 5mg vials of somatropin isn't cost effective in my book. Maybe if you're cheating in a professional sport, but not for providing your corals with AA's.

 

[fatrip]

i am wondering exactly how much GH to put in to the food perparded in the pappone methode?

 

[SERVO]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10857880#post10857880 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by jero1
H=human G=grouth H=hormone is illegal in the states

Additionally,

H=human not coral. There is a very very very minimal, if any chance that if HGH was obtainable that it wouldn't be utilized by the coral. Growth hormones are specific to the species that produce them. Bovine GH is specific for cows. Different vertebrates will produce different somatotropins specific to their own molecular receptors. To my knowledge, I don't believe that any invertebrates produce growth hormones. From a molecular biology standpoint, HGH for coral growth makes as much sense as time machines and the laws of physics.


So.........where are the tanks?

 

[fatrip]

servo have you not read the last parts of the thread on that the Hormone is broken down in to different AA's so it has nothing to do with the coral using the Hormone as a growth hormone at all. And just because it is illegal does not mean it isn't obtainable...isn't pot, cocaine, and heroin illegal, yet readily avalible in many communities...

 

[fatrip]

SAreefer .....I have found the answer to yours and my question, after translating an Italian article I have come up with that they use 1.33 mg of the GH somatropin in the full pappone recipe.

 

[SERVO]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=11087782#post11087782 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by fatrip
servo have you not read the last parts of the thread on that the Hormone is broken down in to different AA's so it has nothing to do with the coral using the Hormone as a growth hormone at all. And just because it is illegal does not mean it isn't obtainable...isn't pot, cocaine, and heroin illegal, yet readily avalible in many communities...

Thats an irrelevent analogy. Finding somatotropin in your community will be as difficult as finding uranium. I do admit that I haven't read the whole thread, but what enzymes are breaking down the somatotropin? I wouldn't take this for face value. We are far from understanding the biophysiology of acroporids. Besides, no one has ever analyzed these invertebrates' digestive mechanisms with any biochemical pathway using gas chromatography, F.I.S.H. or any other molecular analysis to my knowledge. Furthermore, there is currently no complex described digestive system. If somatotropin breaks down, it is likey to break into complex proteins. The most effective use for the corals transcription/translation is likely to be simple AA's, and this is likely to be used at the level of the zooxanthallae. This way these dinoflagellates can efficiently utilize them for growth. At least in a simple biologic model this would work. Using a HUGE molecule for aminoacids for a nutritional source is analogous to a single beetle feeding on a Whale carcass.

This is a biologic disconnect. Poor, poor science. I would be careful about what you put in your reef based upon antecdote.

 

[fatrip]

well if it creates some of the reefs that we have seen in prior posts I sure am going to try the method that they have been using. and I don't see why you think it is so hard to find somatotropin. I live in a city of about 50,000 people and I have been able to obtain it. I have never tried but I would hope that I couldn't get uranium as easily as the GH. But I do agree about no one knowing about the digestive system and even how the AA's help the coral with its growth. But what I do know is that corals react to the GH in a positive way so there for it is good in my book.

 

[rharr21]

Any bodybuilder worth his "juice" can obtain HGH. IMO, insulin-like growth factor 1 (IGF-1) would break down similar to HGH. Unless something has changed, it is not scheduled and legal to obtain for research purposes and much less expensive.

 

[caseyjones]

I just read most of this thread (quickly because I am at work) and have a few questions. I'm running the Ultralith system which is similar to Zeo but not quite. Does anyone have any experience with Pappone and Ultralith? Is it better to let the food dissolve or should it be spot fed. Also, since my Nitrates are less than 1 and my Phosphate is .006 (LaMotte Colorimeter) is it worth doing this and changing what already works for me?

 

[notenoughtanks]

so anyone ever try adding pappone without using the AA and just leaving the cup on the skimmer?

 

[ubasst]

any new pics?

 

[Trotter]

WOW! Just WOW! Great thread. Very inspiring.

 

[quiksilver]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=11093761#post11093761 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by rharr21
Any bodybuilder worth his "juice" can obtain HGH.

I've been into bodybuilding for quite some time and have done more research on creatine, steroids and HGH than most humans care to know. I'm a HUGE advocate of natural bodybuilding. I would never put HGH or steroids in my body but never-the-less wanted to make sure I understood why they were so bad for this type of use.

I can tell you that HGH along with any steroid is very obtainable in the U.S. HOWEVER, HGH is the least cost effective "cheat" (my opinion) in bodybuilding today. Reason:it's literally undetectable by today's drug tests, no to mention illegal. Therefore high demand, and low supply = $$$$$$

For enough HGH to "cycle" in bodybuilding, it can cost upwards of $2500 a month. Overseas you can get it on the corner legally for so much cheaper. That's why Italians are using it.

To me, too much of the AA's in HGH are wasted in a reef tank to make it cost effective in the U.S. I would venture to say that you best bets are buying relatively cheap AA's that have proven to be absorbed by corals. In my opinion, L-glutamine, arginine, creatine, and aspartic acid are the most promising as far as being absorbed by corals and fish. This is probably the direction I'm going to go when starting BC method. These can all be obtained online for sooo cheap.

 

[quiksilver]

Alright, I built a DIY reactor and started dosing papone and aminos.

Quiksilver's Blue Coral Method Reactor (Papone Reactor w/ Automatic Vitamin C and Amino Acid Doser)

I'll keep you posted on what happens.

 

[martinphillip03]

bmp

 

[bogg]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=11217082#post11217082 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by notenoughtanks
so anyone ever try adding pappone without using the AA and just leaving the cup on the skimmer?

They want you to leave the cup off the skimmer so you dont skim out the pappone, and to leave the skimmer on as to not drop the oxygen. Just following the directions according to the results that they have obtained will yeild the best results w/o problems.

 

[bogg]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=11216240#post11216240 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by caseyjones
I just read most of this thread (quickly because I am at work) and have a few questions. I'm running the Ultralith system which is similar to Zeo but not quite. Does anyone have any experience with Pappone and Ultralith? Is it better to let the food dissolve or should it be spot fed. Also, since my Nitrates are less than 1 and my Phosphate is .006 (LaMotte Colorimeter) is it worth doing this and changing what already works for me?

They want you to do one method or the other. Again I would follow the instructions they have used to obtain the best results.

 

[Jasontkd]

First of all, man what a thread. Awesome info, and quite lengthy. I am very excit4d to give this a shot. a couple quick questions though:

Say I were to use an AA product like salifert, or Zeovit, etc...I see that some of them recommend dosing AA daily. Do you all dose the AA daily, and the Pappone a couple times a week? Or do you only dose AA when you dose pappone?

Also, would the same method of dosing AA help out when just feeding cyclop-eeze? Any draw backs to this.

One more...I have a 29 gallon SPS reef. any drawbacks to using this on such a small system? I know you need to start slow, as to not introduce too much at one time, but with such a small water volume, I don't want things to get out of control before I can react.

again, great thread, can't wait to get it going

 

[bogg]

From what I remember reading, the aa is just in hopes to extend the polyps 2 hour prior to dosing the pappone. With your lil tank just go reallll slow at first. IMO.

 

[Ocean Drive]

Ciao!!
here new experience by pappone
http://www.reefitaliascience.it/magazine/2007-5/pappone.html
Maybe DarkXerox can traslate for american people.
for any other question...http://www.reefitalia.net/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=498
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