Its gigantea season!

Phender, nice nem, and Gorgeous clowns! Blaze, I'm in Va. Trigger, I agree with everything you say, but you forgot to add cherry picking. Most of the nicest stuff is picked up from the wholesalers and never even gets shipped (directly) to retailers. I think a couple of the guys on this thread mention "shopping" wholesale. I know for a fact that jobbers comb the big importers and nab all the good stuff that is not already sold.
 
Phender, I am jealous. Looks like its doing good for you so far. How much flow is it getting and what MH wattage is it under?

Thanks
 
Let me see if I can answer a bunch of questions and post a couple pics all in the same post.

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10523491#post10523491 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by marc price
Originally posted</a> by phender
"If you ever see a mertensii in person there will be no doubt as to what it is."

now that we're on the subject, i haven't seen one but am curious about the threat to non-clownfish in the aquarium? i've read that they have non-adhesive tentacles, where would they fit on a scale of 1-5 with 1 being h. crispa and 5 s. haddoni?

That is what it says in the Fautin book, but it is not true. They don't stick so hard that the tentacles get pulled off, but they do stick. I would say about a 3 on your scale. I used to think that they weren't able to catch fish, but but mine zapped a rabbitfish one day (rabbitfish are reeeally stupid). About 4-5 days later, when I thought the rabbitfish was just about healed, the mertens ate him. That was the only fish I lost in 5 years.

Giganteas come in in spurts. It seem like Christmas and the end of summer you will see them, but very seldom inbetween. I had been on a waiting list for 6 months with an LFS who has a really good connection, but they just weren't being shipped.
It is pretty tough to find big blue giganteas for less than $120-$200 retail even on the West Coast.

It is getting tougher for people to "cherry pick" at the wholesalers. Several don't allow online retailers or aquarium service business in. You have to have a storefront. Still others will let in the online guys and the service guys, but they have a $350 minimum. There are only a couple places that I can think of where it would be worth it to "cherry pick". One of those happens to be where a lot of the blue zoas, colorful sps and rare lps are brought in. I do get the feeling that some of the wholesalers pull stuff on their own and make some calls to people who specifically deal in rare stuff.

The anemone is a little under lit, but it worked really well for a previous gigantea that after doubling its size over the course of 18 months suddenly died of mysterious causes.
It is under a 150 watt XM 10k de bulb that is 8 inches from the water's surface. The anemone itself is only 2" under the water.
For flow, its about 7" away and directly at the same level from a 1" round return from a Mag 9.5. The Mag goes through a SQWD so the flow on the anemone starts and stops about every 7 seconds. There is also a Seio 620 about 6" away that blows constantly tangent to the front of the anemone. (and you thought you would never need geometry :))

As of now, it has a great feeding response. I have target fed it twice in the four days I've had it. Its mouth is as tight as it could possibly be. The tentacles are dense and long. Best of all it is holding itself in a wave and not flat. I hope I didn't just jinx myself. Giganteas can go bad really fast, especially in the first month or so.

Now the pictures:

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<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10527037#post10527037 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by GSMguy
wow nice colors

so its attached to rock?

Thanks.
Yes, he is attached to rock. I haven't seen gigantea in the wild in person, but in most of the picks I have seen they seem to be in mixed rock and sand areas where the sand doesn't look very deep. I saw a video of one that was actually in the middle of a forest of staghorn acropora.

I built sort of a "well" in the reef. There is a flatish rock on the bottom of the well. The well iitself is about 6" across and 5" deep.

I just put him over the top of it and he moved his foot down to the bottom. On the second day the oral disk was half in and half out of the hole, so I moved a rock, fluffed up the disk a little and reset the rock a little deeper. He has stayed completely on top since then.
 
Phil, great pics. Thanks for all the info. I've heard that one big wholesaler doesn't allow jobbers, even though the guy got started as a jobber himself. But I've also heard that some of the wholesalers actuallly rent a room in their warehouse for somebody to set up shop. It must be interesting with all the stuff that comes into LAX. The only way I was able to get my sharks from Japan and Taiwan was to pay a wholesaler to clear them through customs and F & W, and then re-pack them and ship them to me. I tried to get them to come through Baltimore, but it is just so much easier to get stuff into LAX. I really appreciate the comments about seeing giganteas in the wild. I'll have to try and find the link again, but there was one place where you could walk at low tide and see about a hundred dinner plate sized carpets, each lying in a depression in the sand in about an inch of water.
 
I think I know the website you are talking about. If it is the same one, those are haddoni in that area. Not only are they exposed at low tide, the salinity there is almost brackish.

If it is the wholesaler I am thinking about, all of LiveAquaria's livestock out from Quality Marine. There is a room in the back where they hold LiveAquaria's "in stock" items. If you order fish or corals from the regular LiveAquaria pages, it is shipped directly from Los Angeles. "Usually" the stuff in the back room is also available on the main floor. If everything was on the main floor it would be difficult to keep LiveAquaria's "in stock" labels as accurate as they are. The only things that come from Wisconson are the "Diver's Den" stock.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10527016#post10527016 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by phender




That is what it says in the Fautin book, but it is not true. They don't stick so hard that the tentacles get pulled off, but they do stick.


I will say that every time that I touch either of my giganteas my hand comes away with gigantea tentacles stuck to it.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10529095#post10529095 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Rod Buehler
I will say that every time that I touch either of my giganteas my hand comes away with gigantea tentacles.
I've got to agree.
Furthermore, my gigantea's tentacles will even stick to feeding tongs and cleaning magnets (plastic surfaces) that brush against them.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10529106#post10529106 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Gary Majchrzak
I've got to agree.
Furthermore, my gigantea's tentacles will even stick to feeding tongs and cleaning magnets (plastic surfaces) that brush against them.

Ditto here. In fact, I can usually see small bits of my gigantea's tentacles (yellow/green) stuck to my akindynos in the morning.
 
Phil, although I haven't found the link yet, I think you may be right, they may have been haddoni. I'll have to go back and re-read if I can find it, I would love to know more about the salinity. I do remember they were huge and colorful, blues, purples, greens, absolutely stunning, looking like huge saucer jellyfish lying on the beach. A good indicator of how sturdy these animals are in their home environment.
As for the wholesaler issue, I'm not sure which wholesaler it is/was, but I bought fish from a jobber one time that "had a room". I don't think it was in Quality, or SDC, or the like. But I've never been to L.A., so I'm going by what jobbers and wholesalers have told me. It must be incredible to walk through these places and see some of the stuff that comes in. The wholesaler that handled my sharks for me said, that my Zebra horn sharks turned quite a few heads, because it is one of the FEW times in the last five decades that those fish EVER were in the states.
 
In my understanding a jobber is someone who goes around picking up items to fill orders for a Job. It may be someone who installs and maintains aquariums for offices and homeowners, or it may be the guy with the really nice web site, with pictures of really cool corals and fish, but doesn't have a "store" or even an aquarium. He gets an order for an item, then he goes and visits all the wholesalers to buy them so he can fill the order. Because they have a biz, they can shop wholesale, but they have no store to speak of, just a p.o. box. Some of the bigger jobbers rent a small room (or even a climate controlled storage unit) to warehouse their purchases before they re-ship.
 
Back to the original title (sorry if I derailed this) please post pictures of any giganteas you may be lucky enough to snag (as well as location and price if that is not against any rules). I'd love to know more about where these things go from L.A., what kind of mark-up gets added, and most importantly how they look a week or a month after you get them. Thanks
 
Re: Its gigantea season!

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10501756#post10501756 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by phender
For those of you that have been waiting for a gigantea carpet. (Hopefully you are very experianced). A large number made it into California this weekend. The stores that tranship directly and most the wholesalers recieved a large number of blues and purples and a few greens. You should start trolling your LFSs.

Is there really a "season"? If so, do you know why? (Favorable weather, local laws, what?)

Just curious.
 
quote:
Originally posted by phender
That is what it says in the Fautin book, but it is not true. They don't stick so hard that the tentacles get pulled off, but they do stick.
re: quote:
posted by rod
I will say that every time that I touch either of my giganteas my hand comes away with gigantea tentacles stuck to it.
re: quote:
posted by Gary Majchrzak
I've got to agree.
Furthermore, my gigantea's tentacles will even stick to feeding tongs and cleaning magnets (plastic surfaces) that brush against them.
re: quote
posted by catastrofe
Ditto here. In fact, I can usually see small bits of my gigantea's tentacles (yellow/green) stuck to my akindynos in the morning.

hey guys, phil was referring to s. mertensii regarding my question based on what i had read by Fautin and Allen. in regards to gigantea, F.&A. did note that they have extremely sticky tentacles which will adhere to the hand, pulling off in clumps, as you guys have observed with your gigantea's.
 
yep, That would be my bad! I didnt read the quote that Phil was replying to, nor the last sentence in that paragraph very well.

My bad! sorry
 
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