Jebao WP25 Information
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i'm really not trying to "stir the pot", and i know enough about business to know that advertising, marketing, paying employees/benefits, etc is NOT done for free... or as cheap in the u.s. as many other countries for that matter. but lets say this pump does come out, and does cost $30... of course, time will tell about it's quality/reliability (which will be a big factor for many) but this really doesn't look good for some of the other high end powerhead companies (sales wise, and reputation wise)...
i always wondered how/why something that is essentially pushing water could be so costly... yeah, it may have other bells and whistles, wireless syncing, etc but dropping $465 on a single powerhead always seemed insane to me. i understand that this hobby isn't always cheap, and cutting corners isn't always a good idea in general, but i can think of 500 other things that i'd rather spend $400+ on. maybe i'm nitpicking, it's not like these other companies are holding a gun to peoples heads to buy their product, but i always get a bad taste in my mouth when i see something that seems (and please correct me if 'm wrong) ridiculously marked up. obviously i don't have access to these other companies financials, and maybe their profit margin isn't as huge as it seems? and even if it is, are they wrong for trying to make the most money possible? if people are going to pay it, maybe they're just better at business than me! reputation on the other hand...
i hope i'm not jinxing anything, but what i'm getting at is that i really hope the WP25 and WP40 end up forcing some of the "high end" companies to lower consumer prices. despite a less than stellar reputation in the u.s. market, maybe these chinese companies can help level the playing field on a cornered market. even if the quality isn't all there, if these things last a year, i'd rather replace a $30 powerhead annually for the next decade than drop $400 all at once (the latter of which also requires replacements every so often.)
will be interesting to see where things go in the next year or two.
/rant
i always wondered how/why something that is essentially pushing water could be so costly... yeah, it may have other bells and whistles, wireless syncing, etc but dropping $465 on a single powerhead always seemed insane to me. i understand that this hobby isn't always cheap, and cutting corners isn't always a good idea in general, but i can think of 500 other things that i'd rather spend $400+ on. maybe i'm nitpicking, it's not like these other companies are holding a gun to peoples heads to buy their product, but i always get a bad taste in my mouth when i see something that seems (and please correct me if 'm wrong) ridiculously marked up. obviously i don't have access to these other companies financials, and maybe their profit margin isn't as huge as it seems? and even if it is, are they wrong for trying to make the most money possible? if people are going to pay it, maybe they're just better at business than me! reputation on the other hand...
i hope i'm not jinxing anything, but what i'm getting at is that i really hope the WP25 and WP40 end up forcing some of the "high end" companies to lower consumer prices. despite a less than stellar reputation in the u.s. market, maybe these chinese companies can help level the playing field on a cornered market. even if the quality isn't all there, if these things last a year, i'd rather replace a $30 powerhead annually for the next decade than drop $400 all at once (the latter of which also requires replacements every so often.)
will be interesting to see where things go in the next year or two.
/rant
howaboutme
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Sacohen
New member
That's the way everything works.
I remember when the first truly personal Computer's came out they were expensive, then E-Machines put out a halfway decent system for much less than anyone else. Now all Windows based machines have significantly much less expensive.
Apple is a different story. Apple as opposed to Windows PC's Apple make the hardware and software and they don't licences it to anyone else so there is no competition for a MAC computer.
I remember when the first truly personal Computer's came out they were expensive, then E-Machines put out a halfway decent system for much less than anyone else. Now all Windows based machines have significantly much less expensive.
Apple is a different story. Apple as opposed to Windows PC's Apple make the hardware and software and they don't licences it to anyone else so there is no competition for a MAC computer.
SimonSKL
New member
ryan, I agree. The introduction of the Jebao WP40 and now WP25 (not other Jebao pumps) must have an impact on the sales of the high end pumps. It is not fair to compare quality or even customer service of Jebao pumps to high end pumps simply because of the cost factor. We all know high qualtiy materials cost more. I would, however, compare performance of these pumps against each other. If performance is close or on par and cost is lower (in this case much lower), it is a no brainer to buy the Jebao pumps even if I have to replace them more frequently.
I would love to know the drop in sale volume of the high end pumps since the introduction of the WP40.
I would love to know the drop in sale volume of the high end pumps since the introduction of the WP40.
Rookieofsalt
Member
Yes. Get a smaller (12v) power supply
rrasco
Active member
Don't even get me started on Apple. They do it for the same reason Ecotech does, because they can. They use misleading marketing and common belief to garner attention, like the whole 'Macs don't get viruses' thing and 'Vortechs are the best'....but why? I can answer these questions, but we'll leave that for another thread. I'm too excited about the WP25 to get enraged over this stuff.
OK, I think it's time to ask the obvious question: WHY WOULD I WANT A 4" WAVE IN MY TANK?! Lol.
Don't get me wrong, it's plenty nifty - I even ordered a WP 40 in a recent group buy. I made the order on the assumption that I don't have to have a splash-generating wave coming from the pump. My centerbrace would look like a cliff in Hawaii during a monsoon. Somebody please tell me that I can position the WP40 midway down my tank and get strong surging flow without having the overkill surface tsunami.
Don't get me wrong, it's plenty nifty - I even ordered a WP 40 in a recent group buy. I made the order on the assumption that I don't have to have a splash-generating wave coming from the pump. My centerbrace would look like a cliff in Hawaii during a monsoon. Somebody please tell me that I can position the WP40 midway down my tank and get strong surging flow without having the overkill surface tsunami.
NyteGTI
Member
this is probably better placed in the WP40 thread, but here goes.
By adjusting the knob you can create smaller waves. also the ONLY way you're getting 4" waves is if you put the WP40 on a 6' or shorter tank & have it less than ~8 inches from the surface & aimed up(in my experience in my 90) I have mine ~12" down aimed at my center brace and I can get a 2.5" wave TOPS at full 24V on W1 if I dial it in right.
NyteGTI
Member
yep, just keep the pump lower in the tank & you'll get less of a wave. what size tank are you looking to do it on? if you're talking about WP40s I'd reccomend you head over to the WP40 thread
http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2259644
and ask in there. there's a ton of info
here's my experience:
I used W1 for about a day and then used else mode instead. I just prefer the look of it. it ramps up & down pretty quickly & pretty often so it's not too different from W1. I like the randomness of it. keep it lower & aimed farther down the tank & youll minimize any waves or splashing. the higher you put it, the more the surface is going to rock. but if this isn't on a 4' or longer tank, you're going to get some SERIOUS waves.
Sacohen
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These are the modes of the WP40. you would think that the WP25 would be the same.
H: High, constant, non-variable flow (13,000 LPH)
L: Low, constant, non-variable flow at a third of the speed (4,300 LPH)
W1: Short pulses which, when timed correctly will create a back and forth motion and form a gentle standing wave in your tank. Adjust the controller to change the speed of the pulses and vary the size of the wave according to your tank.
W2 & W3: Pump gradually speeds up and slows down incrementally to create a varied flow pattern. Adjustable to form the wave best suited to your tank.
Else: Reef Stream Mode, a mixed, changing pattern that creates a random flow cycle similar to what you would find in a natural reef.
Feed: Press the 'FEED' button once, the blue '10min' light will illuminate indicating that the pump has been stopped for 10 minutes. When the time has elapsed, the light will go off and the pump will be turned back on. Alternatively, press the 'FEED' button again to start the pump.
Lock: To prevent changes from inadvertently occurring by accidentally knocking the adjustable control knob, press and hold the 'FEED' button for 5 seconds. The red 'LOCK' light will illuminate and the control knob will no longer function. Press and hold the 'LOCK' light for a further 5 seconds to disable this feature.
*Night: When the two-pinned sensor is inserted into the two small plugs on the left-hand side of the control box, Night mode will function automatically. The sensor detects when the tank lights go out and slows the pump to half speed. The 'Sensor' light will illuminate when Night mode is in operation. To disable the Night mode function, remove the sensor from the control box.
H: High, constant, non-variable flow (13,000 LPH)
L: Low, constant, non-variable flow at a third of the speed (4,300 LPH)
W1: Short pulses which, when timed correctly will create a back and forth motion and form a gentle standing wave in your tank. Adjust the controller to change the speed of the pulses and vary the size of the wave according to your tank.
W2 & W3: Pump gradually speeds up and slows down incrementally to create a varied flow pattern. Adjustable to form the wave best suited to your tank.
Else: Reef Stream Mode, a mixed, changing pattern that creates a random flow cycle similar to what you would find in a natural reef.
Feed: Press the 'FEED' button once, the blue '10min' light will illuminate indicating that the pump has been stopped for 10 minutes. When the time has elapsed, the light will go off and the pump will be turned back on. Alternatively, press the 'FEED' button again to start the pump.
Lock: To prevent changes from inadvertently occurring by accidentally knocking the adjustable control knob, press and hold the 'FEED' button for 5 seconds. The red 'LOCK' light will illuminate and the control knob will no longer function. Press and hold the 'LOCK' light for a further 5 seconds to disable this feature.
*Night: When the two-pinned sensor is inserted into the two small plugs on the left-hand side of the control box, Night mode will function automatically. The sensor detects when the tank lights go out and slows the pump to half speed. The 'Sensor' light will illuminate when Night mode is in operation. To disable the Night mode function, remove the sensor from the control box.
Trevenator
New member
If it was me I would use 2 jebo wp40s based on that many people I know use 2 vortech mp40s
on there 120
dirk_brijs
Active member
anyone know some contact details for them?
Living in Thailand and would like to know where they are available in Asia
Thanks
Living in Thailand and would like to know where they are available in Asia
Thanks
rrasco
Active member
Tel: +86-760-22212300 22212306 22212305
Fax: +86-760-22212368
E-mail: info@jebao.com
website: http://www.jebao.com
I'm planning on 4 wp25. I tried the wp40 and it was too big for my tank.
1 wp40 and 1 or 2 other supplement pumps would be enough for a 4ft 120 imo.
I'm planning to use 2 wp25 with my 2 mp40 or 4 wp25s.
