Jebao WP25 Information

[zachts]

So with the battery backup, essentially will the battery trickle charger be also providing the power for the pump itself?

You still need the stock power supply. The stock power supply is what the pump runs off when the AC power is working, it also powers the relay in the tunze connecor. It will plug into the female port on the Tunze connector. When power is lost the stock supply, which is pluged into the wall, turns off telling the tunze connector (just a simple relay circut in a nice housling) to switch over to your battery. When power is restored the stock supply comes back on and switches the relay back over to running the pump from the stock power supply.

The trickle charger does not power the pump, it only maintains the battery when AC power is working.

 

[ryngill]

I'm thinking about just getting a small UPS like this

and plugging in the apex and jebaos to it. That way I can still get a dimming signal from the apex to spin the pumps. I am having a hard time figuring out any other way to provide the signal to tell them spin. Could also have the power outage trigger a lower speed and conserve power by oscillating, etc...


Edit: I actually just pulled the trigger on two of these slightly beefier ones. One for the pumps and Apex and one for my router and cable modem so I can be notified when the power goes out.

 

[Sacohen]

I'm aware of the limits. I was running mine on an RA until about a week or two ago. I think you were the one I've had some conversations with about this via PM earlier this year. I've actually had my WP25 down to about 18% and they would still start. The problem I had was the 'reef crest' profile I was running would cause the pumps to stop overnight, whether it was below 30% or not. I don't really like the RA's reefcrest mode though, it doesn't work like else or echotech's reefcrest. The short pulse worked fine for several months, but I wanted more random flow instead of just pulsing.

I'm currently running them on the Jebao controller, one on W1 and the other on Else.

I'd be interested in seeing your current code. I need to head back over to RA's site and see what's new, I've been too busy to do much to my reef the last few months so I've just ran with what was working for me.

Yeah I was the one you were talking with over there.
I'll send you a link to my current code.

 

[Dactylopterus]

I'm thinking about just getting a small UPS like this

and plugging in the apex and jebaos to it. That way I can still get a dimming signal from the apex to spin the pumps. I am having a hard time figuring out any other way to provide the signal to tell them spin. Could also have the power outage trigger a lower speed and conserve power by oscillating, etc...


Edit: I actually just pulled the trigger on two of these slightly beefier ones. One for the pumps and Apex and one for my router and cable modem so I can be notified when the power goes out.

You will also need to connect your modem to the ups if you want to be notified. Its always better to go with the battery solution since all this equipment works with 12V

 

[JRR1285]

I recently grabbed one of these and it is one of the best purchases I have made for my tank since setting it up. I have removed two Koralias (one nano 425 and a regular 750) and have them running in vinegar in a small critter tank and they move almost no water in comparison, even since being cleaned.

I have one more Koralia 425 in my tank hitting a dead spot for now. Once I get the two dimmers (one is remote, the other is a dial) I ordered I will put it in ELSE mode and try to eliminate all of the dead spots. ELSE mode is way too much for my standard 29G. It creates such an undertow, very impressive. Have to run it in W1 S3 for now.

 

[Bpb]

My WP25 came in two days ago. Wanted to run it for a couple days and experiment a bit before posting. So far I like W1 mode on full speed, with the knob turned up all the way for a slow standing wave. That seems to pull the most junk from the rocks. I'll typically turn that mode on when I'm the only one at the house because it makes the overflow extremely loud and annoying, which I dont mind, but it irritates the family, so I run it in else mode most of the time.

Tank is 55 gallons. Before, I used my mag5 return pump, Koralia 1050, Koralia 750, and a MJ1200 for flow. The WP25 has more flow than all 3 powerheads combined. To start off I ran the WP25 at one end, and the Koralia1050 at the opposite end. No matter where I pointed them, the wall of water each pump created would meet and blast downward and create a sand storm. At any position I experimented with them, this was the result. The flow is SUPER turbulent with this combination and I didn't think it would be too bad. Unfortunately though when I came home from work today there was a bare glass spot on the sand, and 3 acan frags flipped upside down. At that, I decided to pull the Koralia.

Now I just run the WP25 and my return line for flow. The standing wave it creates is enough to cause the water to splash onto the underside of the tank rim brace. If this were a rimless tank, water would be on the floor. Due to that, in wave mode, a single WP25 is more than enough flow for any 4 foot tank I believe. If you're running a 90 gallon or bigger 4 foot tank you'll want another powerhead or two just to help eliminate dead spots. but for my tank, it's plenty all on its own.

I've only had it two days, but so far I love it. I've freed up 2 electrical outlets my tank was using up so I'm happy about that. Maybe that'll allow me to run the vacuum cleaner on that same circuit lol. My tank has made 3 power outlets in my house off limits before now.

 

[Bpb]

Double post

 

[Sacohen]

Keep an eye on the flow it will decrease over time, but take it out, pull it apart and clean everything and it will be like new again.

 

[markalot]

I've owned three of these for a couple of months now.

I have two of them in one tank on Else mode, but at the lowest voltage Else mode started to malfunction on one of them, getting stuck in idle speed. I switched it to wave mode and haven't had any more issues. I have cleaned both of these once.

In my other tank the pump has always been in wave mode and is starting to make wiring noises. Not loud, but noticeable near the tank. I have not cleaned this one yet, so that may be the issue.

I still like them ... nothing else comes close for the money.

 

[Bpb]

Keep an eye on the flow it will decrease over time, but take it out, pull it apart and clean everything and it will be like new again.

Yeah I've read that quite a bit about these, but I had the same problems with my koralias. The flow would reduce to almost nothing in a couple months time and when I would clean them they'd be like new. I expect that is the case with a lot of powwrheads. Maybe even more so with these since they have ceramic shafts?

 

[Sacohen]

Here's the post on how to with the battery.

http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showpost.php?p=21740285&postcount=1398

Here is another thread about a battery backup.

http://reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2250591&highlight=homemade+battery+backup

 

[FlyPenFly]

Cool thanks. If I did the splicing to hook up the wp25 to an apex vdm port, what would that gain me besides feeding shut off and night modes if I already have dimmers?

 

[Sacohen]

It will gain you the ability to program it to run how ever you want.
I don't really know that much about the Apex and what it can do, but I would think you can program it to run in a short pulse or ramp from 1 speed to another.

I saw this post earlier today...

http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?p=21943676#post21943676

 

[rrasco]

The biggest advantage is custom flow patterns AND the ability to run in anti-sync. I kind of like the chaotic turbulence caused by two controllers running independently though.

 

[FlyPenFly]

I don't know, running the two pumps on 65% Else mode seems like it'll be pretty chaotic flow without the annoying programming you have to do.

 

[rrasco]

Speed control can be important to match your tank. I recently cleaned my two 25s and now my flow is crazy.

 

[kiv9721]

If you have a RR tank with overflow, so where is your water level be the best to make a waves like in a beach ??

 

[ganjero]

If you have a RR tank with overflow, so where is your water level be the best to make a waves like in a beach ??

I don't know what exactly do you mean by "waves like in a beach". What comes to my mind cannot exactly be replicated in a fish tank.

The waves we make in our fish tanks are done with the normal water level your tank has. Meaning up to the overflow, once the wave starts the water level will be "leveled out" by itself. How big they can be depends on your pumps/wavebox and the space between the water level line and the edge of you aquarium.

It's also recommend to use a fish tank with the overflow in the middle so the noise is minimized. The waves can be made with corner overflow(s) but you will hear the water going into the overflow ever time the wave hits that corner.

 

[DrewBrees713]

Should I get two wp25 placed in opposite end for my 90 G? I have a WP40 and it's not enough flow IMHO.

 

[Sacohen]

I always think 2 smaller pumps are better then 1 larger one.
It gives you more options in placement and positioning.
Also you can run 1 is Else mode and the other in W1 or something different.