just wondering

Teenreefer15

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So I know someone who lives off an island of costa rica and literally is the center of this island. Over where he's at there are no laws about disturbing wildlife. He is very close to the beach and there are coral reefs very close to the shore that you could snorkel and see them. Im wondering if it would be possible to take those same corals and put them in a reef tank. Im not planning on doing this but am just wondering. What are your thoughts?
 
I am going to say yes, they would survive in a reef tank provided the travel time wasn't too great. I accidentally ended up with a tiny Puget Sound shore crab and it has thrived in my tropical tank.
 
If it is legal, it is possible. I have collection permits for corals, inverts, fish, and plants (four separate permits, I had to get eight total) - and this allows me to stock my tank with anything that isn't on the prohibited list (hard corals, certain fish, great white sharks)
I would be very cautious, however. Get a quarantine tank established. While things are in qt, research the bejeesus out of them. Monitor for crabs, etc. Much more life survives if things are right out of the ocean. Good and bad. I even transfer everything underwater, so I get tons of sponges. I also have a good nudibranch population, and weekly infusions of plankton when I do water changes.
Just tell him to be cautious, and always take his local marine life book to the beach. Saves a lot of hassle.
Also, keep the qt strictly local only, so he can release unsuitable things. He must not risk releasing pathogens or parasites if he has bought any organisms whatsoever from elsewhere. You can only release things if housed in a tank with exclusively local organisms!!
 
I wouldn't say to research them after you collect them but rather before. Just because it's "legal" to collect there doesn't mean you can go about snatching up anything you want. You should make sure the species isn't threatened or endangered, and you should make sure your system is capable of supporting whatever creature you collect. I'm not against responsible, small scale collection for your aquarium, but I am against irresponsible, random harvest of things you know little about.
 
White shark, hence my advice to bring your reference book to the beach.
I've found that often, a chunk of, say, dead sponge covered in zoanthids harbours a lot of life you don't notice on the beach. So you do a local only quarantine and see what emerges. So if the nudibranch that pops out only eats x, and you can't provide, it is ethical to return it.
I don't think any serious reefkeeper would just swoop a net, bang it in a tank, then work out what it is. I sure hope not..
 
White shark, hence my advice to bring your reference book to the beach.
I've found that often, a chunk of, say, dead sponge covered in zoanthids harbours a lot of life you don't notice on the beach. So you do a local only quarantine and see what emerges. So if the nudibranch that pops out only eats x, and you can't provide, it is ethical to return it.
I don't think any serious reefkeeper would just swoop a net, bang it in a tank, then work out what it is. I sure hope not..

You might be surprised lol.

I guess I'm coming more from a place of SPS where, if you break a branch off, realize you can't care for it, and try to plop it back in the ocean it's probably not going to make it. Thus it would be better to identify it and research it before doing anything else.
 
Oh, absolutely agreed - though in theory, you can take a frag home and secure it in a tight hole.
But hard corals are illegal to collect in the republic of south Africa. In any case, it is easy to look up something stationary like a coral before deciding to collect. A fish or something mobile, you often just catch, put in the bucket, then pull out the book. It gives you something like, "eats small crustaceans" - which leaves you with not much information.
So you can have a strictly local qt tank, keep it at home for a few days, research, see if that individual is eating, see if it eats (local only!!) Corals and shrimp, check it out.
A lot of what I catch isn't widely kept, and not on liveaquaria. My tidepool gobies are the beat pets ever. In the wild, they inhabit small pools with wild salinity and temperature shifts. The water gets walked in and peed in. But they live.
They don't eat corals, don't fight, love pellets and prepared foods, and have the most awesome personalities. They swim up to me with their little smiley faces and beg for food. Their home now is maybe twenty times the size of their wild habitat.

But I wouldn't have known that before catching them, searching, and close observation in local qt. If they weren't eating, or unsuitable, they'd have gone home.

We must - MUST - be ethical, both in terms of environmental concerns and concern for our pets. But in the end, I feel this method is kinder to the ocean than a lot of commercial collection and transport methods.

But no, I'd never ever yank something out of the ocean without due diligence. I run a qt set up so I can return the smallest little whelk if I worry that it isn't a good species for captivity.

I am enjoying this discussion - the ethics of it all are worth pursuing. I am open to all and any advice on making sure I am following best practice - and encouraging others to do the same.
 
Oh, absolutely agreed - though in theory, you can take a frag home and secure it in a tight hole.
But hard corals are illegal to collect in the republic of south Africa. In any case, it is easy to look up something stationary like a coral before deciding to collect. A fish or something mobile, you often just catch, put in the bucket, then pull out the book. It gives you something like, "eats small crustaceans" - which leaves you with not much information.
So you can have a strictly local qt tank, keep it at home for a few days, research, see if that individual is eating, see if it eats (local only!!) Corals and shrimp, check it out.
A lot of what I catch isn't widely kept, and not on liveaquaria. My tidepool gobies are the beat pets ever. In the wild, they inhabit small pools with wild salinity and temperature shifts. The water gets walked in and peed in. But they live.
They don't eat corals, don't fight, love pellets and prepared foods, and have the most awesome personalities. They swim up to me with their little smiley faces and beg for food. Their home now is maybe twenty times the size of their wild habitat.

But I wouldn't have known that before catching them, searching, and close observation in local qt. If they weren't eating, or unsuitable, they'd have gone home.

We must - MUST - be ethical, both in terms of environmental concerns and concern for our pets. But in the end, I feel this method is kinder to the ocean than a lot of commercial collection and transport methods.

But no, I'd never ever yank something out of the ocean without due diligence. I run a qt set up so I can return the smallest little whelk if I worry that it isn't a good species for captivity.

I am enjoying this discussion - the ethics of it all are worth pursuing. I am open to all and any advice on making sure I am following best practice - and encouraging others to do the same.

I wouldn't say to research them after you collect them but rather before. Just because it's "legal" to collect there doesn't mean you can go about snatching up anything you want. You should make sure the species isn't threatened or endangered, and you should make sure your system is capable of supporting whatever creature you collect. I'm not against responsible, small scale collection for your aquarium, but I am against irresponsible, random harvest of things you know little about.

Im not actually doing this, I'm just wondering because I can if I'd like to but i wouldn't as of right now.
 
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