Killer tank is it possible!!!!!

dallasdallaghan

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hi all,, i`ve had a reef tank for a few years now and i`m thinking of setting up 60"x30"x30" predator tank "get all those dangerous fish" the fish i would like to keep might not be possible,, and thats why i need your advice,, first and foremost is a $$$$$ Hawaiian dragon moray $$$$$ and everything else will be worked around that ,,i`m thinking maybe harlequin tusk, volitan lionfish, yellow frogfish queen angel and maybe a clown trigger ,,,,,,, as you might of guessed this
is also a wish list aquarium, But since i have no experience with out and out predators
I NEED YOUR ADVICE
many thanks
 
Will ill give a short description of the fish, size and etc
Hawaiian Dragon moray- try to get a small around 12 inches and buy first so your other fish size will depend on its size.
Harequin Tusk- 6 inches
Volitan Lionfish- 4 inches
queen angelfish- 5inches
clown trigger- 4 inches

Sick but if you want a more killer trigger and angelfish get a queen trigger and a king/passer angelfish, these TWO ARE FREACKING BEASTS!!!! Also in my opinion i would get the jap dragon moray eel b/c it has better color and its about the same price as the Hai d eel
 
All of those fish would go together fine. I would recommend that you add the triggers simultaneously as they will likely be the sticking point in everyone getting along.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=11881942#post11881942 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Patrick12
All of those fish would go together fine. I would recommend that you add the triggers simultaneously as they will likely be the sticking point in everyone getting along.

I disagree. The combination of large aggressive triggers with a lionfish all too often ends with a dead lionfish. When you're talking about a tank that looks like it's in the range of 240g (someone can check the math on that if they feel like it), just having the clown trigger with a lot of other fish can be risky.

Depending on the relative sizes, a clown trigger can do a lot of damage to a moray, if the mood strikes it. I've seen the mood strike several medium-sized clowns and result in dead eels.

Frogfish also tend not to do well with fish like triggerfish and large angels. Those fish like to nibble on the lumps and bumps that are so common in frogfish. Also, a frogfish is essentially a slow bottom-feeding fish, which is just ripe for the picking for a large moray.

Dave
 
Scratch either the lion or trigger off your list especially with an aggressive trigger like queen or clown they will rip a lions fins to bits surprised no one said anything before about that :S i dont know how well a queen trig and a passer would get along but the tusk would most likely get nipped at alot or killed. That tank is about 233 gallons i dont know how big some of the fish get so i couldnt tell you if they would last a lifetime in there. good luck

Ranzan
 
Ok - I'm going to make myself the fly in the ointment here - and being an Irish hobbiest, I have a rather unique perspective that most of you don't:

The Queen angel and clown trigger has no business in a tank with either a lionfish or a frogfish...... the latter two are targets, and the former two are assasins! The angel and trigger will also get much too big for a 5' tank - and here is the point about benig "Irish" - there is not a market for a 12" queen angel or triggerfish..... so when they outgrow the tank, which is inevitable, you will be looking for a home for them, and to be honest, in Ireland, that is a difficult thing to find.

Now in fairness dallasdallaghan, you are askign for advice here, so I hope I am not comming off with a "don't be so stupid" attitude, because that is not the sentiment at all........

For the tank size you are looking at, I woudl rule out anything with the potential for 12" or more - with the exception of lionfish and morays etc...... they are different.

The Harlequin Tusk is a nice fish, gets quite big, but nothing like the trigger or angel you mention. I have an emporer angel that I got about 8 months back - he was 3" then, he's 6.5" now - and his attitude has doubled with it. My tank is 8x2x2, and I really would not fancy putting him in anything smaller..... maybe a 6x2x2 if it was lightly stocked. THe queen gets much bigger, much quicker, and is much more aggressive.....

My advice to you, if you want a stable long term project, is to opt for either "aggressive" OR "predatory" fish. Generally, the two don;t mix all that well - with the exception of groupers maybe bridging the divide...... "predators" tend to be slow moving, non aggressive, and are easy targets for "aggressive" fish...... if you think that a lionfish's spine will protect him, think again.......

So basically what I am saying is, either:
(1) Get liongish, frogfish, groupers, morays etc.
OR
(2) Get triggers, puffers, angels, wrasse etc.

I am not saying it cannot be done, but typically speaking, it is probably better avoided. Just keep in the back of your mind, what would you do with a 12" fish, if you no longer want it for any reason? We in Ireland do not have the luxury of selling it to the big fish enthusiast at the "local marine aquarist society", as our more fortunate friedns in the US do..... it really is a "fish for life".....

HTH

Matt (in Cork)
 
by the sounds of it ,, it would be better if i replaced the trigger fish will a large angel and maybe the less aggressive niger trigger....
I have heard that while the dragon moray look to be the more aggressive of the morays? they are usually one of the least aggressive
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=11884647#post11884647 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by dallasdallaghan
by the sounds of it ,, it would be better if i replaced the trigger fish will a large angel and maybe the less aggressive niger trigger....

That would be a reasonably option if you drop the frogfish. Any of the large angels can pick on frogfishes and do a lot of damage. They eat sponges, and many frogfishes look an awful lot like a sponge.

I have heard that while the dragon moray look to be the more aggressive of the morays? they are usually one of the least aggressive

It's true that they're not as aggressive, but they usually won't pass up a meal that's sitting there ripe for the taking.

Dave
 
Well the dragon moray are quite aggressive from what a i hear but, not as aggressive as the tesslata eel (sorry for the wrong spelling).
 
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