Korallin Calcium Reactor
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dragon_slayer
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dragon_slayer
All I can tell you is do it that way then and watch your PH bounce all over.
i think i have had more dealings with Koralline reactors (and most others) then the standerd reef guys and i know what the hell i'm talking about here.
I had done this and gave problems. I had a hard time keeping my Ph in check along with alk...this will affect them both.
it's not the reactor causing problems its your adjustments and your system being out of balance.
All the reactor is suppose to do is keep Calcium stable, you have to get it in the area you want, then use the reactor.
the reactor (and all other Ca reactors) provide the tank with buffers, both Ca and Alk, along with any trace elements and any unwanted elements that are in the media.
The Directions tell you to use one or the other for the out. NOT both.
i have a few copies of the instructions for Koralline here and they using both is the recommended way
If you do both the same then you are dosing more GAS in turn will lower your PH.
doesnt make a rats butt how many places you take effluent from, your GAS use is based on the amount of effluent you are removing from the reactor.
Play around with it...then you will see what I am speaking of.
i'v most likely played around with a Koarlline reactor more then you ever will, it just doesnt happen like your trying to say, your exp is all opperator error.
I went through all this for months before someone helped me out.
see operator error
Just as I described earlier made the difference. I waste 3 10LBS tanks over this in three months. Just because of the pocket forming.
when the pocket formed you should have thought "humm to much gas i need to turn the flow of CO2 down", but you upped it? if you used 30# of CO2 in 3 months you were lost like a ball in high grass when it comes to Ca reactors.
Korallin's can be fussy to dial in but once dialed in you are set and walk away until you need to replace the CO2.
At that point all you do is turn off the main valve and leave the other settings alone.
a Koralline is one of the easiest reactors there is on the market to adjust that is unquestionable.
and we who have Korallines that are set up correctly have to add media to ours long before we add more CO2.
It all has to do with how well or how much CO2 you want to burn up.
So do the 30 or 40 drips on the one and do 5,10 or 15 on the other and see how long that CO2 will last you.
Why **** it away.
you set the drip and bubble count to the demands of the system has nothing at all in the world to do with wasting CO2. it takes X ammount of CO2 to disolve X amount of media to give a tank X amount of buffers.
All you want to do is keep it from forming a pocket...that is it.
no most of us (should be all of us) want a reactor to supply the system with its demands of Ca and Alk, could care less about the bubble as long as its not interfearing with the reactors ability to do the intended job
i wont even bother reading the rest of you nonsense, it's obvious to me you dont have a clue about this reactor or any other one. say what you want but fact lies i know what i'm talking about with this reactor and you cant blow smoke up my A$$ and try to convince me otherwise.
you have not a clue so please dont give advice that you assume is correct when its something you read and really dont have a clue about in the first place.
have a good day
kc
All I can tell you is do it that way then and watch your PH bounce all over.
i think i have had more dealings with Koralline reactors (and most others) then the standerd reef guys and i know what the hell i'm talking about here.
I had done this and gave problems. I had a hard time keeping my Ph in check along with alk...this will affect them both.
it's not the reactor causing problems its your adjustments and your system being out of balance.
All the reactor is suppose to do is keep Calcium stable, you have to get it in the area you want, then use the reactor.
the reactor (and all other Ca reactors) provide the tank with buffers, both Ca and Alk, along with any trace elements and any unwanted elements that are in the media.
The Directions tell you to use one or the other for the out. NOT both.
i have a few copies of the instructions for Koralline here and they using both is the recommended way
If you do both the same then you are dosing more GAS in turn will lower your PH.
doesnt make a rats butt how many places you take effluent from, your GAS use is based on the amount of effluent you are removing from the reactor.
Play around with it...then you will see what I am speaking of.
i'v most likely played around with a Koarlline reactor more then you ever will, it just doesnt happen like your trying to say, your exp is all opperator error.
I went through all this for months before someone helped me out.
see operator error
Just as I described earlier made the difference. I waste 3 10LBS tanks over this in three months. Just because of the pocket forming.
when the pocket formed you should have thought "humm to much gas i need to turn the flow of CO2 down", but you upped it? if you used 30# of CO2 in 3 months you were lost like a ball in high grass when it comes to Ca reactors.
Korallin's can be fussy to dial in but once dialed in you are set and walk away until you need to replace the CO2.
At that point all you do is turn off the main valve and leave the other settings alone.
a Koralline is one of the easiest reactors there is on the market to adjust that is unquestionable.
and we who have Korallines that are set up correctly have to add media to ours long before we add more CO2.
It all has to do with how well or how much CO2 you want to burn up.
So do the 30 or 40 drips on the one and do 5,10 or 15 on the other and see how long that CO2 will last you.
Why **** it away.
you set the drip and bubble count to the demands of the system has nothing at all in the world to do with wasting CO2. it takes X ammount of CO2 to disolve X amount of media to give a tank X amount of buffers.
All you want to do is keep it from forming a pocket...that is it.
no most of us (should be all of us) want a reactor to supply the system with its demands of Ca and Alk, could care less about the bubble as long as its not interfearing with the reactors ability to do the intended job
i wont even bother reading the rest of you nonsense, it's obvious to me you dont have a clue about this reactor or any other one. say what you want but fact lies i know what i'm talking about with this reactor and you cant blow smoke up my A$$ and try to convince me otherwise.
you have not a clue so please dont give advice that you assume is correct when its something you read and really dont have a clue about in the first place.
have a good day
kc
dragon_slayer
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Directly from the Koralline Instruction Sheet:
But for an ultimate consistant, forgiving & maintenance-free function, we recommend the following:
...........Now allow water to drip out from Outlet 1 as described below. But AT THE SAME TIME, connect an airline tubing to Outlet 2 and take water out slowly at 1-2 drips/min. So, water now exit from Outlet 1 at a fast rate (ie: 40 drips/min. or higher) as well as from Outlet 2 at a much slower rate.
do i need to scan this off and post the pic?
kc
But for an ultimate consistant, forgiving & maintenance-free function, we recommend the following:
...........Now allow water to drip out from Outlet 1 as described below. But AT THE SAME TIME, connect an airline tubing to Outlet 2 and take water out slowly at 1-2 drips/min. So, water now exit from Outlet 1 at a fast rate (ie: 40 drips/min. or higher) as well as from Outlet 2 at a much slower rate.
do i need to scan this off and post the pic?
kc
justgettinstarted
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dragon_slayer said:
YEA! hehe... thats what i was doing... but i cant get 2 drops a min... so i have to settle for about 5 drops
hehei have to check when i get home tonight and see whats going on.. if i have eliminated the gas pocket at the top problem...
i dunno why you would want to bubble the excess CO2 into your tank.. obviously that would lower the pH... thats what its supposed to do... i know the chemistry of how the reactor works... i am after all an organic chemist
Biodragen
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Screw you buddy I do not need the rudeness.Put downs at all. You know where you can go .atleast I am trying to be helpful and pass on something here...it works.
Atleast I said I am not a pro...if that is not good enough for you then who F needs ya.
Man just trying to and this is how you get.
Atleast I said I am not a pro...if that is not good enough for you then who F needs ya.
Man just trying to and this is how you get.
dragon_slayer
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i'm just curious here, how many people have Koralline Ca Reactors and used the instructions i posted here and found them to be helpful and have not commented on them.
i have received several emails and PM's about them from people and everyone thought they were great and exactly what they needed to set up their reactor. and were hundreds of times better then the one that came with the reactor.
if i am wrong here, then i'll bow out and will not Slay the Biodragen
kc
i have received several emails and PM's about them from people and everyone thought they were great and exactly what they needed to set up their reactor. and were hundreds of times better then the one that came with the reactor.
if i am wrong here, then i'll bow out and will not Slay the Biodragen
kc
justgettinstarted
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i just tested my effluent and got a dKH of 37... so i am obviously not saturating my water with CO2 am i? to do that i want to turn up my CO2 while leaving the effluent at the same rate?
dragon_slayer
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its dependant on your media what dKH you'll get out of it. i'd venture to say your close to 100% now.
i would worry more about keeping up with the tanks demands as opposed to getting the saturation near perfect. as long as your in the ball-park you should be find and not have a lot of wasted CO2
kc
i would worry more about keeping up with the tanks demands as opposed to getting the saturation near perfect. as long as your in the ball-park you should be find and not have a lot of wasted CO2
kc
MarksReef
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Is it ok to do this near the return pump (it's powerfull & MY ONLY OPTION) my sump in in the basement.dragon_slayer said:
Or will it just take what it needs and the rest will go to the tank ?
Thanks everybody I should be hooked up in about a week and I can't wait not to dose B-ionic.
justgettinstarted
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my pH of the effluent is between 6.3 and 6.5
and i just measured the dKG of my tank and it was 10.1 and calcium was 430... so now i just need to ty and maintain it here!
thanks KC!
and i just measured the dKG of my tank and it was 10.1 and calcium was 430... so now i just need to ty and maintain it here!
thanks KC!
dragon_slayer
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Mark, your reactor will only allow in the amount of water you let out via the drip on the effluent line. having a higher working pressure (to an extent) inside the reactor makes better use of your CO2.
justgettingstarted, you need to up your PH of the effluend if its below 6.5 becaue it causes your media to break down into a mud.
Biodragen, i thought about posting the not so nice PM you sent, but i'll just fwd it to GregT instead.
kc
justgettingstarted, you need to up your PH of the effluend if its below 6.5 becaue it causes your media to break down into a mud.
Biodragen, i thought about posting the not so nice PM you sent, but i'll just fwd it to GregT instead.
kc
justgettinstarted
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but i am using the koralin media... which is just old coral skeletons... can that still turn to mud?
dragon_slayer
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yes it will if you keep the PH at or below 6.5.
what it does is break down the media into very small particals that are easily clogged in the reactor and block the flow or channel it rather then being an even flow.
just pick up your effluent rate or cut back on the CO2 a bit. adjust them to the demands of your tank and your all set.
hth
kc
what it does is break down the media into very small particals that are easily clogged in the reactor and block the flow or channel it rather then being an even flow.
just pick up your effluent rate or cut back on the CO2 a bit. adjust them to the demands of your tank and your all set.
hth
kc
DJ88©
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Ok... Guys.. back away from the computers..
Next one who posts something NOT talking about a calcium reactor and is saying it in a decent tone with NO innuendos gets a time out from posting.. Courtesy of me. The length of that time out will depend on how fast I remember that they are gone.
This is the time of year where you are supposed to show courtesy and considerations for others..
great job demonstrating that..
Next one who posts something NOT talking about a calcium reactor and is saying it in a decent tone with NO innuendos gets a time out from posting.. Courtesy of me. The length of that time out will depend on how fast I remember that they are gone.
This is the time of year where you are supposed to show courtesy and considerations for others..
great job demonstrating that..
smoke15
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I for one am learning more from reading these posts than I could have hoped for. I appreciate all the info being passed to us less edumecated.
Yeah.....That 1 to 2 drop rate I think is a mythical thing. However, I wll keep trying for it. What happens if you drip that "secondary" drip into a cup and toss it out instead of dripping it into your sump?
Dragon slayer, dont say anything to get a "timeout", you are to valueable to us. I for one don't doubt the knowledge you have on this topic.
Happy Holidays......and hope santa brings you all stuff for your reef tanks !!
Yeah.....That 1 to 2 drop rate I think is a mythical thing. However, I wll keep trying for it. What happens if you drip that "secondary" drip into a cup and toss it out instead of dripping it into your sump?
Dragon slayer, dont say anything to get a "timeout", you are to valueable to us. I for one don't doubt the knowledge you have on this topic.
Happy Holidays......and hope santa brings you all stuff for your reef tanks !!
dragon_slayer
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What happens if you drip that "secondary" drip into a cup and toss it out instead of dripping it into your sump?
then you waste effluent. regardless of where from the reactor you take an effluent (be it the top/bottom/a leak from a crack) its the same effluent. the circulation pump has the reactor constantly mixed up. the only way you can get anything different is to have a clogged media (you ran the PH to low and made the media mud) or the recirculation pump is not in opperation.
let the line drip into your sump, any bubble of CO2 that builds up and exits this line will mix with the air in the sump not the water.
if you choose to not let it drip, you can just watch the bubble build up and when it gets to a noticable size then just open the valve for a few seconds and it will exit out, when the bubble is gone and you start to get effluent, turn off the valve. the advantage of letting it drip is you have less hands on and it is self contained.
Dragon slayer, dont say anything to get a "timeout", you are to valueable to us. I for one don't doubt the knowledge you have on this topic.
Happy Holidays......and hope santa brings you all stuff for your reef tanks !!
Thanks, and Santa is supposed to be on his way now driving the FedEx truck with the 2 Tunze Turbell Stream 6100's for the 180g to replace the six MJ1200's
Ho Ho HO
kc
then you waste effluent. regardless of where from the reactor you take an effluent (be it the top/bottom/a leak from a crack) its the same effluent. the circulation pump has the reactor constantly mixed up. the only way you can get anything different is to have a clogged media (you ran the PH to low and made the media mud) or the recirculation pump is not in opperation.
let the line drip into your sump, any bubble of CO2 that builds up and exits this line will mix with the air in the sump not the water.
if you choose to not let it drip, you can just watch the bubble build up and when it gets to a noticable size then just open the valve for a few seconds and it will exit out, when the bubble is gone and you start to get effluent, turn off the valve. the advantage of letting it drip is you have less hands on and it is self contained.
Dragon slayer, dont say anything to get a "timeout", you are to valueable to us. I for one don't doubt the knowledge you have on this topic.
Happy Holidays......and hope santa brings you all stuff for your reef tanks !!
Thanks, and Santa is supposed to be on his way now driving the FedEx truck with the 2 Tunze Turbell Stream 6100's for the 180g to replace the six MJ1200's
Ho Ho HO
kc
smoke15
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Last night as I continued to play with the drip rate, I actually got the 3 drips per minute out of the secondary line. I woke up this morning and it was still 3 drips a minute, and I thought YAHOO. However, I come home from work today, and there was no drips coming out of the line, and a "building" pocket of gas in the reactor. Ok, what gives? What effects this drip rate? Can it be that I have the Co2 tank on to "high" of a setting. I have one of those JBL regulators that has two gauges. The one on the left has a range of 0-150. The gauge on the right has a range of 0-10. What should the settings be for these two gauges?
Again thanks to everyone for their time.
Again thanks to everyone for their time.
justgettinstarted
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I am having the same prob..... the valve that is supposed to let the co2 out of the reactor stops bubbling after about 2 hours... dont really know whats going on
as far as my regulator goes... the tank is at 800lbs and the output pressure is ~4lbs
as far as my regulator goes... the tank is at 800lbs and the output pressure is ~4lbs
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