L&L's 225 gal display in wall room dividing 2 side viewable build

Looking good.

Thanks dawatson69. Glad to have you along.

I appreciate threads like this with lots of pictures! I know, call me a child. :P

This is looking like a great set up so far, can't wait to see how this shapes out.

Nice to have you with us Pushwood. Good to know you are enjoying the pics. I'll keep trying to take lots.

You may be an engineer put you have some wicked good plumbing skills,even if your thread connectors leaked at first. Love the y adapters idea,looks like spa flex the only way to go,so much easier than PVC. Have to say I was not ready to see pumps hanging in mid air.. Thanks again for the up dates

Hello again canyousee. Glad you like the plumbing. Putting the pumps where they are is to keep the plumbing as efficient as possible and actually hasn't bothered me that much yet as far as being in my way...
 
More Plumbing

More Plumbing

Got a bit more done here are some pics:

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Not sure if you remember the 1" pipe I hid behind the wall awhile back. Well I cut it open today and made the connection to the sump drain line. Now I can empty the sump quite easily.

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Big mistake! I can't believe I did this. I cut the wrong size hole... So here is a pic showing how I'm back to mudding and sanding... These are the holes for the return. That 1.5" pipe is the return from the basement.

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I just realized I don't have a pic showing that return line so here is an old pic with my sketching skills of where the return line is in the wall. The circles are where the water comes out.

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Here is a pic of the return manifold. The 1.5" tee fit in the wall but not with the bushing to reduce to 3/4" so I had to rebuild the last part (grey part) using 1.25" plumbing. Now it fits :)

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Installed with painted grommets to match.

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Another shot.

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In service. I bought two different types of nozzles, I couldn't decide which one I liked better so I kept them both.

Problem Today.
So today I saw that the overflow wont be satisfactory. I had the manufacture make the overflow and they had made it to spec but they had drilled in teeth to the overflow and I had asked for no teeth. I had told them about this upon delivery but they told me it would work just the same. Well it's going back. My water line is way too low and when I cover the teeth that I didn't ask for, it works just fine. I want the tank full to the top.

As for the teeth/no teeth debate, some people prefer teeth, others don't, for me because my overflow is already on the small side I can't start interrupting the flow of the water. What happens when you do this is to compensate for the blocked paths, the water level must rise higher to get the same amount of volume over and this makes it louder. This might not be a problem if the overflow was bigger but mine is small. Also what you really want to get is the surface water, not the water from 1/2 an inch down, the surface water is dirtier.
 
Phosphate Rocks

Phosphate Rocks

This post tells the story of my Bulk Reef Supply Pukani Dry rock. If you are considering these than read on, others well, maybe just look at the pictures and skip this chapter…

I went with Pukani dry rock because I like the look of them. They have infinite hiding crevices for our livestock. They have more surface area than Fiji rock. They are much less expensive than filling the whole tank with live rock. So I ordered 100 lbs of it. It showed up, I looked at it, then I ordered another 66 lbs of it. Both orders were shipped with a little more than paid for so that is fun but soon I am to see that I could have used a little more still. I did add a few pieces of Fiji live rock to start so I’m not exactly sure what the total is, maybe around 200 lbs (Pukani is lighter than Fiji, for its size).

The problem with BRS Pukani rock is phosphate. All the reading I’ve done says that a reef tank should target a phosphate level of less than 0.05 ppm, otherwise corals are unhappy. So my last rock order included a Salifert phosphate test. Before I get into what I did to cure these rock I will state that I have no idea what would of happened had I skipped all this… I just read lots that said I would be battling algae blooms indefinitely and of course assumed that this would be a problem for my water parameters regarding corals.

Curing Plan A (no tricks, just salt water and time)
So I put all the rocks into two vats, each got a heater and a circulation pump. After one day the phosphate reading is off the chart… Every couple of weeks I would drain the salt water, high pressure wash the rocks (this process is long but does seem to get the rocks much cleaner) and refill the tubs with new salt water. This process went on for 3-4 months and here is what I/you can learn from it. Does not work! I learned the hard way that this is a waste of time and money (in wasted salt). I also learned that the Salifert phosphate test kit is useless for me. I don’t see how anyone can tell blue from bluer and less blue… So I’ve invested in the Hanna Phosphate colorimeter and found it much more usable. However in the end with this method I was still reading 0.70ppm. Next, I did a bunch more forum reading on this problem and reluctantly decided to up the aggression on these phosphates via pool chemicals. So I ordered a pool size bottle of lanthanum chloride.

Curing Plan B (chemicals, lanthanum chloride)
This process is the same as above with a lanthanum chloride drip into a filter sock which is supposed to trap the precipitated phosphate. This process went on for another couple of months with increasing dosages of the chemical but unfortunately I am now running out of time(it has been six months…) and my phosphate is only down to 0.16 ppm with continuous chemical dosing… So, I am happy for all those who had success with this method but it did not work for me.

Curing Plan C (Breaking Bad style, with big long rubber gloves and strong hydrochloric acid)
Quite frustrated with phosphates at this stage and determined to get these things to reef levels I decided to dunk them in Muriatic acid. Here I will state that this method is not for everybody. This is a very strong chemical and quite dangerous and needs to be handled with a lot of care and respect. That being said, I must admit that the reaction you get from dunking the rock in this stuff is quite fun :) Here are some pics from my Breaking Bad day outside…

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Looks like it's doing something...

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I must of got something out.

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Looks dirty to me.

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Even looks cleaner now.

The process:
1-Dip in diluted HCL acid
2-High pressure wash rock
3-Soak in tap water, I’m not wasting any more money on salt…

So if I had to do it again, I would go right to plan C. Safety issues aside it definitely yields the best results, and immediately.
 
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never to late to pick up another one, they are only a few bucks and i think would be more beneficial for the tank...
 
its crazy how clean that acid makes the rocks. i would like to see it in person.. im a nerd like that when it comes to this hobby lol
 
its crazy how clean that acid makes the rocks. i would like to see it in person.. im a nerd like that when it comes to this hobby lol

Maddmaxx,

Well I have a video and I was going to show it to you guys but youTube is taking forever...
 
Let's get started...

Let's get started...

Checkout what I am doing today.

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Oh yes. I've just committed 120 lbs of salt. Better not start leaking...

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Well looks like I'll have to wait till tomorrow to show you more...

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Here is my first kitchen side pic.

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And my first living room side pic. Full to the top. Perfectly level. Going to need more rock to better hide those returns...
 
Very slick. Maybe next time you do a water change you would make a video of the described process for us?

By far and away one of the top-end sump-rooms I've seen. I'm jealous for sure... :)
 
Very slick. Maybe next time you do a water change you would make a video of the described process for us?

By far and away one of the top-end sump-rooms I've seen. I'm jealous for sure... :)

Video? I suppose. That might force me to clean up a bit down there...

I'm glad you like my sump room. I did what I could with the space I have and cheated quite a bit to get that 180 in there... I still have 5 sump room pics to post maybe 6. You are welcome to come see it anytime you like. I also have 6 fish in the main now. But as far as corals go, I'm doing very badly...
 
Humidity Problem

Humidity Problem

First I live in Ottawa, Canada which means -25C (-13F) or worse in January and 35C (95F) or hotter in July. Happily when the furnace is running there is no humidity issue (other than too dry) but into spring once the furnace stops running and the rain starts the humidity starts to increase and this past year we got a lot or rain. So the first thing I did was pick up a hygrometer and start monitoring the situation.

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These things are made in china and are not the most accurate so I bought 2 to cross check the reading. At the time of this pic it's winter so humidity is low. I can also keep one upstairs to see the difference from the fish room.

I watched the humidity go from 40% to 50% then I started running the furnace circulation fan 24-7. We have forced air at the house (which you have already seen I guess"¦). This allows me to distribute the humidity evenly throughout the house. Then it climbed from 50% to over 60% so I had to try something else. I realized I had no cold air returns in my entire basement (where all the humidity gathers) so I decided to add two in the fish room/my shop before all my tools start to rust"¦

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This seems to have stopped the increase but the rust has already started on some of my tools and I am not happy with my shop at 60% so I decided to add a dehumidifier. The research for this involves looking at how much water it can remove (pints per day) for how many kiloWattHours and of course it has to be in your price range. So this led me to Costco"¦ Here it is.

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This thing runs at over 400 watts and ran continuously for a long while before the humidity started coming back down. I had to plumb it to the floor drain because it would fill its reservoir every time before the next time I would check on it. This was quite scary at first (electric bill wise) but did come to a stop and after the summer it does not go back on at all. Next year I'll get on it earlier and hopefully we don't get as much rain.

How much of this humidity is from the tanks and how much would I have regardless? I don't know, but I'm sure the tanks make it worse so I'm going to spend a few extra bucks a month in the summer to protect my house and my hardwood floors from an extreme humidity swing.

I set the dehumidifier to maintain around 50%-55%. I put it in storage after the summer.
 
Finish the walls

Finish the walls

Hasn't been leaking. System has been running salt long enough (about a month) with no leaks, I'm confident enough to put the drywall up.

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Right side of tank. This pic also shows my 3 drain lines from the overflow. Unfortunately I wanted 1.5" drain lines and these don't fit inside a wall so I'll have to cover these up with something else.

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I decided to build another tiny little wall to cover the plumbing that runs into the stand.

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Mud up right side.

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Mud up left side.

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Got tired of staring at this white wall in my kitchen so I decided to paint today and get it back to beige. Unfortunately, I forgot to take an after pic so you'll just have to take my word for it...
 
Lights

Lights

Next I needed lights. I had already made up my mind I was going with leds but the final choice was quite difficult. I did a lot of research on here, youTube, other forums, reviews from high profile reefing celebs... EcoTech put the Gen2 Radion on sale right when I thought I had my mind made up. But in the end it came down to the Radion Pro or the GHL Mitras and I decided the Mitras was the better light. I wanted 3 but decided to start with 2, I can always add another later as these things are so expensive...

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Oh! No! Another problem

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Here is everything out of the box. After all the pictures I had seen of these things... None of the pictures ever showed the size of the transformer. Nobody showed these in their reviews. This is not going to work for me. Where was I supposed to hide this thing? And I have two to hide. Not so sleek looking when you show the big honking transformers in the picture. And I thought I was so smart when I installed my 4 outlets above the tank.

Anyways, quite disappointed about my useless 4 outlets. Guess I'll have to put up a nice family portrait above my tank...

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The other thing you can notice in the above pic is that I started prepping for my bar ledge. You can see I added some more plywood to hide the white foam and that I added some steel brackets to reinforce the ledge so that I don't have to worry when I step on it (this may have been overkill, but now I don't have to worry at all)...

Here is another pic. You can even see some of our fish here. Our yellow tang Samuelson for sure.

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Luc's review of the GHL Mitras 6200 HV:

These lights are awesome. They do not disappoint (well other than the huge transformer, but I should have known that...) These are a quality item made out of quality parts. Very impressed so far with the German engineering here. They did not sacrifice quality to reduce cost. I definitely would recommend these if you are looking for a quality item and I fully agree with those who say these are the best lights going right now...
 
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Bar Ledge

Bar Ledge

Here it is. Now I'm starting to see it. Just missing a few dozen corals.

Granite installed. Plastic aquarium trim gone...

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This pic is also good at showing where the closed loop intake is. I put it underneath the overflow box with a big basket strainer. Get a good look at it now cause I've since hidden it much better with more rock.

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And here I am enjoying my first drink at the bar. Perfect high for me.

:) My daughter loves my tank. Oh and she wants corals for her birthday.
 
Fish Room Equipment

Fish Room Equipment

This post will discuss sump room equipment.

Auto Top
I went with AquaHub's DIY premium auto top off. I like this one because it's not expensive, I don't mind assembling electronics and it allows me to wire it up easily to my mixing station solution. I went with the premium because it comes with a second redundant float sensor (peace of mind). The kit has everything you need with the exception of the power wiring and for me I needed longer signal wires because my float sensors are on the far right side of the sump and the module is kept on the left side.

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I added some tubing to protect my sensor wiring from rising water levels when the return pump is shut off.

Here's the assembled module and a little explanation of a cheat I did here to simplify my wiring mess.

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Module is on top left. It plugs in twice, the two outlets on left. The 12V transformer connection is to power the relay that switches the 120 AC power on/off to the main mixing pump. This is what happens when my 3-way switch shown in a previous post is set to auto. The second connection is actually not an AC power outlet (remember my wiring diagram"¦). It's just a connection point for this auto top off module to keep my wiring that much cleaner. It has AC power on one wire and the other wire goes to the auto side of the mentioned 3 way switch. The result is that the auto wire only gets power when the float switches determine the sump water level is low.

I really like this setup and so far it has worked well for me and has allowed me to use my mixing pump for yet another task. I hope somebody else can use this idea.

UPS battery backup
I was planning on postponing this expense to later when there is actually more livestock in the tank but when I saw the power of the back siphon from upstairs to downstairs when the pump is shut off I got worried. About 20 gallons of water gets sucked back down when that pump is shut off in I'll estimate maybe 30 seconds. My worry is that I would get a 15 second power outage that would put the power back on when the back siphon was at its strongest reverse flow. I just don't want to put my made in China pump through that sort of stress. I was going to get this eventually anyway. My research found that the most economical solution is the one used for desktop computers. So I'm back at Costco. These things come with neat features too: current power consumption in watts, current battery life remaining in minutes at current power consumption rate, number of events (this is a count on the number of power failures, still zero so far but I'm watching it"¦). The one I went with displays that it will power my return pump for 60 minutes. After that I will need a generator"¦

Here it is and wired up so that I can still shut my pump off upstairs and downstairs without this thing keeping it on"¦

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Sump lighting
My proper refugium is a future project. Still lots more higher priority items I want before I start with that but I do want to throw in some macroalgae now to see if I can use these to suck out phosphate/nitrate and avoid running GFO in a phosphate reactor. I don't want to spend a lot of money here and I still believe you don't have to, to grow this stuff. The constraint here, for me, is space. These lights need to be exactly in the path of the frequent removal of my big skimmer collection cup. I need a fixture that is easily removable for this frequent chore. Here is what I came up with and it didn't cost much at all.

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2 sockets, an old small appliance power cord, some hook hardware and some left over 5/8" plywood.

The bulbs are 15w CF but are neat in that they come with a built in reflector and are encased in a protective glass casing (easy to clean salt spray of off) . They are daylight spectrum 6000K. I also picked up a standard 2 prong digital timer and set these things to run reverse cycle to the upstairs tank.

So far this has been working. Moving the lights out of the way has been easy enough. I've got chaeto, ulva and red bush living and growing with my phosphate continuously measuring less than 0.05ppm on the Hanna.

Heaters
I haven't discussed these yet. They've obviously been in for a while now. I'm running two at 300W each. This gives me redundancy and makes each that much less destructive in the event of a stuck in the on position problem. I couldn't make up my mind between the ViaAqua and the Finnex so I bought one of each. They both feature remote temperature sensors, an LCD display of the set temperature and an LED light signaling the heater is on. After a lot of stress I found my Finnex heater to be off by 4 degrees so now I support ViaAqua.

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pH Monitor
Again, I found the Salifert test kit unsatisfactory for my needs. For the cost of the monitor, I like the idea of having a more accurate reading continuously available at a glance and having one less test to execute on a regular basis. I went with the American Marine with the optional power adapter. Can be seen in bottom left of first pic of this post.

Tip: This thing is a continuous 1 watt drain on my wallet and if I could do it over I might consider switching its power on the room lighting circuit.

RODI filter
I went with a 5 stage system with the chloramine filter and the dual TDS monitor. It comes with a valve to turn it on/off, it comes plumbed with valves to rinse the membrane and/or rinse a new carbon filter. I added an auto shut off valve. It's rated at 75 gal /day but again this was an overinflated spec"¦

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Wall Trim Kitchen

Wall Trim Kitchen

A few more pics. I've got the trim work done in the kitchen. Here is the pre photo.

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I had to scuff up the paint a little because this is getting glued on for obvious reasons...

And next I've got a pic of the gluing process using rice bags and macaroni bags weighted down with pieces of lumber.

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And the after pic.

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