Last question about ich :)

[jbvdhp]

Pros/experts/RC,

I'm a couple short days from introducing the fish back into the DT. What a long time!!!

However, I have a question: people state sometimes you can't see ich because it's in the gills. My fish have been in that observation qt for a month after ttm. One blenny died from presumably flukes, as it never showed external signs of ich- but it flashed like mad everyday.

The two tangs I have in the tank have not shown any signs of ich on their skin, we can rule out velvet as they've been alive since November (am I right about that?), nor have they flashed.

So I wonder: if ich is in the gills and doesn't appear on the skin, how will I know? These tangs haven't flashed at all. What if the blenny was flashing from ich? Will the ich on gills go thru the same cycle if ttm is performed again? I guess my question really is, if it's present in their gills shouldn't they be showing external signs by NOW?

 

[rffanat1c]

That is why you did ttm, to remove ich. If you did it properly, there's a high chance it's gone. But to answer your question, ich can not show itself for many months if it's on a fish. Then one day some stress happens and boom, you see it

 

[snorvich]

That is why you did ttm, to remove ich. If you did it properly, it's gone.

This.

 

[jbvdhp]

That is why you did ttm, to remove ich. If you did it properly, there's a high chance it's gone. But to answer your question, ich can not show itself for many months if it's on a fish. Then one day some stress happens and boom, you see it

This.

I trust that i was meticulous about it. I've done two batches of fish.

 

[NarakuAulonocar]

I am curious as well. I have a fish who has gone thru Tank transfer but still twitches. Based on the articles on RC, ich should fall off during its normal cycle. But you wonder if there might be abnormal strains.

When doing tank transfers, make sure to dry every crevice! I was surprised by the amount of water stuck in my heater when I shook it.

 

[ThRoewer]

I am curious as well. I have a fish who has gone thru Tank transfer but still twitches. Based on the articles on RC, ich should fall off during its normal cycle. But you wonder if there might be abnormal strains.

When doing tank transfers, make sure to dry every crevice! I was surprised by the amount of water stuck in my heater when I shook it.

There are many other things beside Ich that can make fish twitch (assuming you did TTM correctly and it isn't still Ich).
TTM works only against Cryptocayon and really not much else.
Just because you put your fish through TTM doesn't mean they are clean from everything else. They may still be infected with velvet, brook,... flukes, copepods,... intestinal parasites, ... pretty much the whole catalog.

 

[jbvdhp]

There are many other things beside Ich that can make fish twitch (assuming you did TTM correctly and it isn't still Ich).

TTM works only against Cryptocayon and really not much else.

Just because you put your fish through TTM doesn't mean they are clean from everything else. They may still be infected with velvet, brook,... flukes, copepods,... intestinal parasites, ... pretty much the whole catalog.

That's why I asked specifically if the ich in gills will eventually show up externally? I'm not sure anyone has given me concise answer yet, although they re affirm that it may lay unseen in the gills, but that to me implies the ich is site specific.

However, if it's just "ich" then one may assume it's in the gills, runs its course, falls off the gills, attaches to substrate and repeats, but this time should show up on the skin, no????

I HATE parasitology!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[snorvich]

Ich is not site specific (on the fish). With TTM done properly you do not have ich. However, you may have another parasite as mentioned above.

 

[jbvdhp]

Ich is not site specific (on the fish). With TTM done properly you do not have ich. However, you may have another parasite as mentioned above.

Yah, thanks steve! I kinda like a fish less display. Haha!

 

[ThRoewer]

Yah, thanks steve! I kinda like a fish less display. Haha!

Or you just select your fish very careful - only buy appropriate species for your tank and only healthy specimen. That worked pretty well for me.

 

[DaveRaz]

No expert here by any means. Did you treat qt with prazipro?

 

[snorvich]

Or you just select your fish very careful - only buy appropriate species for your tank and only healthy specimen. That worked pretty well for me.

This is always good advice!

 

[NarakuAulonocar]

There is also the possibility of gill flukes


QUOTE=jbvdhp;23536749]That's why I asked specifically if the ich in gills will eventually show up externally? I'm not sure anyone has given me concise answer yet, although they re affirm that it may lay unseen in the gills, but that to me implies the ich is site specific.

However, if it's just "ich" then one may assume it's in the gills, runs its course, falls off the gills, attaches to substrate and repeats, but this time should show up on the skin, no????

I HATE parasitology!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!![/QUOTE]

 

[NarakuAulonocar]

There are many other things beside Ich that can make fish twitch (assuming you did TTM correctly and it isn't still Ich).
TTM works only against Cryptocayon and really not much else.
Just because you put your fish through TTM doesn't mean they are clean from everything else. They may still be infected with velvet, brook,... flukes, copepods,... intestinal parasites, ... pretty much the whole catalog.

Hi, thanks for the suggestion.

It actually went thru prazi (concurently) and formalin dips between transfers.
I wanted to cover all the catalog (brook, uronema, flukes)

I have it for close to 2 years now.

It sometimes goes on hunger strikes and twitches from time to time.

I suspect that something is still in the gills causing the hunger strikes.

Sorry for hijacking. I just thought our problems are similar.
My fish yawns sometimes and it appears to be trying to expel something from its gills.

 

[NarakuAulonocar]

I read some people here saying that ich can on rare occasion encyst on the gills. Do not know if its true though.


My fish has one spot on its pectoral. It hasn't come off for months. Its been suggested to me as lympho but it doesn't look like lympho (no cauliflower shape). In fact it looks like an ich spot.

Makes you wonder.


Anyway, to answer your question. Since you don't see any spots, observe in quarantine for another 2-4 weeks (depending on how confident you feel).

If you still see twitching, then don't introduce them to the display

Pros/experts/RC,

I'm a couple short days from introducing the fish back into the DT. What a long time!!!

However, I have a question: people state sometimes you can't see ich because it's in the gills. My fish have been in that observation qt for a month after ttm. One blenny died from presumably flukes, as it never showed external signs of ich- but it flashed like mad everyday.

The two tangs I have in the tank have not shown any signs of ich on their skin, we can rule out velvet as they've been alive since November (am I right about that?), nor have they flashed.

So I wonder: if ich is in the gills and doesn't appear on the skin, how will I know? These tangs haven't flashed at all. What if the blenny was flashing from ich? Will the ich on gills go thru the same cycle if ttm is performed again? I guess my question really is, if it's present in their gills shouldn't they be showing external signs by NOW?