Learning/rebuilding from my epic fail

Very nice Matt!

Just stunning Matt! :inlove: You know what I'd love to see though? Some super porny pics with just the blue led's on! I want you to be silly and get some really groovy shots haha
Thanks Dom and Connor!
Dom, I'll five or a shot.. I'm usually not happy with those shots when I take them but I'll fine it a try.
I have always had the problem of low nitrates with high phosphates, and have tried many methods to get the nutrient levels in balance. I found that by using lanthanium chloride, I could never "balance" the 2 levels to hit a happy constant for both. What eventually worked for me was to couple kno3 dosing with carbon dosing such that the increased nitrates and carbon ended up bringing the phosphates lower naturally in natural ratios. After I brought both levels to an acceptable ratio (5ppm nitrate, 0.05 phosphate) I switched to dosing TM Bacto Balance to maintain the levels (since Bacto Balance is supposed to add phosphate and nitrate back in addition to carbon dosing to maintain acceptable levels). Unexpectedly, my nitrate dropped to a constant 0.2 and phosphate to a constant 0.01-0.02. Despite these very low levels, my corals have not paled out and still maintain the same level of colouration as when the system was at 5ppm nitrate and 0.05ppm phosphate. I believe that the Bacto Balance is helping the system process the nutrients better such that the corals are still getting enough, but measured levels are very low.
This is very useful information. Thank you. If I can't get things evened out with this method, I think macro balance will be my last effort.
Very nice Matt. Elos now sells refill kits as well. I wonder if you can approach some online retailers in the UK to find out if they are prepared to ship to Canada. This test kit is widely available in the UK.
Thanks, Bulent, if I'm going overseas for test kit refills, I will probably also get some bacto balance.
 
Your photos are top notch Matt! I'm loving the side view shots especially. Good luck with the nutrient balancing.
 
Matt you are really out doing yourself. Everything looks great. How is growth with your nutrients being lower?
 
Your photos are top notch Matt! I'm loving the side view shots especially. Good luck with the nutrient balancing.
Hey Scott, thanks!
Matt you are really out doing yourself. Everything looks great. How is growth with your nutrients being lower?
hey Brandon, thank you, well growth actually stalled a bit when n bottomed out. But generally growth has been decent on many coral, amazing in a handful and slow in many.
Every time I have a nutrient shift, all the corals react. Some previous good growers stop, some stalled corals begin to grow, some do nothing.
Some just grow no matter what and some just don't grow but I leave them in hopes that one day they will show me why I got them in the first place..
If ever one day I get a stable, balanced nutrient ratio, I hope to have real growth and stability..
one day.. maybe....:headwallblue:
 
Matt what balanced ratio do you aim for?

Looking at your photos, I'm pretty sure I want to achieve yours ratio and not what "literature" indicates as the right ratio....:)
 
Matt what balanced ratio do you aim for?

Looking at your photos, I'm pretty sure I want to achieve yours ratio and not what "literature" indicates as the right ratio....:)

Thanks, Greg!
I am really aiming for 4-10 ppm n and .04-.08 ppm p
However, if I ever get onto bacto balance, I may let those numbers fall depending on what the corals say about that.
 
Having said that.. I know I’ve had good colors at higher nutrient levels- even with n up to 50 and p close to .25..
I think I’ve seen the best combination of growth and color when n was around 5ppm and p was just under .9
So that’s my target area..
Knowing that elevated nutrient levels have not seriously adversely affected the corals in my tank, I am not in a hurry to change things.. I’ll go slowly..
 
Matt I always love when you post your pics as it gives me something to strive for. It does seem no matter what nutrient level you have you colors are always great!

I am curious in the last batch of pics you posted, the 3rd pic from the bottom. Does it have bite marks or is it something else?
 
Matt I always love when you post your pics as it gives me something to strive for. It does seem no matter what nutrient level you have you colors are always great!

I am curious in the last batch of pics you posted, the 3rd pic from the bottom. Does it have bite marks or is it something else?

Thanks! Yeah, as mentioned, it seems different corals will perk up or slow down depending on nutrient levels.. and I'm only shooting the corals that look good! ;)

As for bite marks on that 24k piece.. it is entirely possible as I am certain that I have flatworms. I see real bite marks on some corals and have removed the odd piece that has gotten overrun with them..
but that particular piece doesn't seem to have any at the moment- it has in the past but they went away. Or got eaten or whatever..
Those marks don't look like classic bite marks to me.. especially because they are in the top side of the coral and bite marks usually appear on the shaded areas...
 
So, just for fun and interast’s sake, I pulled out my Hanna egg, Elos HR po4 test kit and my Red Sea test kit..
I was curious to see if my single dose of Brightwell Phosphat-e made any difference at all.
24 hours later..
Red Sea gave me .12
Elos gave me .16 (maybe, just maybe down from .17)
Hanna gave me .24...........
So.. who the hell knows...
Since Elos was in the middle, I’m going with that.. unfortunately, that was my last test with that kit.. the reagents are finished. :(
I need more Elos kits.. I saw that quality marine sells them but I’m not yet sure if they ship to Canada.
I’m going to email them.. and I’ll ask about bacto balance as well..
 
Having said that.. I know I've had good colors at higher nutrient levels- even with n up to 50 and p close to .25..
I think I've seen the best combination of growth and color when n was around 5ppm and p was just under .9
So that's my target area..
Knowing that elevated nutrient levels have not seriously adversely affected the corals in my tank, I am not in a hurry to change things.. I'll go slowly..

Matt, did you mean PO4 when you wrote "P"? P is phosphorus and PO4 is phosphates?

In my tank, coloration also is at its best when NO3 is around 5 ppm and PO4 is below 0.092 mg/L. This is consistent with what Hans-Werner Balling wrote in a thread on a German forum (refer to the image- note that the English writing is done by Google Translate).
 

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Matt, did you mean PO4 when you wrote "P"? P is phosphorus and PO4 is phosphates?

In my tank, coloration also is at its best when NO3 is around 5 ppm and PO4 is below 0.092 mg/L. This is consistent with what Hans-Werner Balling wrote in a thread on a German forum (refer to the image- note that the English writing is done by Google Translate).

Yes! Absolutely. I meant po4. Sorry, Bulent. I am not consistent with that.
I'm going to go read link now..
 
Get the ULR egg that reads in PPM, that matches pretty close with the ELOS.

AquaMarine sells ELOS high res as well, might want to check with them
 
Matt, did you mean PO4 when you wrote "P"? P is phosphorus and PO4 is phosphates?

In my tank, coloration also is at its best when NO3 is around 5 ppm and PO4 is below 0.092 mg/L. This is consistent with what Hans-Werner Balling wrote in a thread on a German forum (refer to the image- note that the English writing is done by Google Translate).

Very interesting Bulent. I have red recently in another forum Mr Bailing's opinion on phosphates harmful levels, and I am very surprised that since 2013 or even earlier, has come to the conclusion that po4 are not the evil, we as hobbyist , believed!

I wanted also your opinion as far the N/P ratio. As I can read, Mr Bailing's believe that the ideal ratio is 10, and not 100, as is written in most forums. Since you follow more often his advice, what drive you to deviate, from his ideal ratio, and target to 50 (5/0.092)or higher?
 
I'll be following your progress Matt. I'm thinking hard about pulling my rock and treating it with LC in a curing bin. I don't dare experiment with it in my smaller display with my Zebrasoma tang.

Good luck! It's sure frustrating how much these PO4 kits can vary but that's the world we live in with hobby grade kits.
 
I'll be following your progress Matt. I'm thinking hard about pulling my rock and treating it with LC in a curing bin. I don't dare experiment with it in my smaller display with my Zebrasoma tang.

Good luck! It's sure frustrating how much these PO4 kits can vary but that's the world we live in with hobby grade kits.
I'll let you know.. I'll be through a week of LC dosing this weekend. I'll do a po4 test and post it..

Matt, what does your tank PH run at?

I don't really check ph.. I do have a ph pen though. I'll calibrate and get back to you..
Last time I checked it was in the 8-8.1 range.
 
New page Matt! Please adorn it with beautiful photos. I'd like to see more of your Robin hood acro if you have anymore shots of it! Your latest crop of pictures was stunning. I am excited to see what lower po4 does to your colors.
 
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Well, Brandon you have a point and it just so happened that one daughter and my wife went to the Habs game tonight and my other daughter got a lift to her hockey practice, so I was twisting in the wind! Got into my underwear and took some pics! No, no.. no underwear.. but I could have, if I wanted to!!
Decided to go big in these shots. I usually use medium quality when posting but what the hey! I went all in!
Again, no editing on these photos at all- right off the camera.
Robin Hood
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And from the front..
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Here's the trio: no name red beast, blueberry wine and OP- up close..
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From the front:
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Further back..
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And a wiiiiide shot of the complete centre section of my reef.
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Ice fire
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Another wide shot of habanero, 24k and the wave
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Got a bunch more..


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Last batch..
By the way, ph was 8 at about 9pm. Few hours after mh went off. I'll test again in the morning and tomorrow evening.

Blue monster..
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From the front..
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Couple mixed shots..
Centre reef:
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Leftish side:
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Little closer..
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Tried to get my blueberry wine mother colony with my fisheye..
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This red planet is growing well..
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Ok! There you go!


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