A. Grandis
Active member
Well, the truth is that those cartoon names were invented to identify morphs and certain species in order to be sold. That's how it started. Period!
Just a "great market idea".
The way things went after that was what I call the "snow ball". Even the SPS and other corals have cartoon names and fat price tags too... They came basically the same way and about the same time... The easier identification is for money...
Newbies take advantage and like to exchange info that way. No problem. Even some of the so called "old timers" do that too. No problem.
At that time the people that were in the hobby felt the business strategies that were coming and some got angry. At the same time they couldn't do anything anyway, so the strategy was born.
The new people coming after that didn't know any better and because of the lack of REAL identification for the organisms, specially zoanthids, the newbies were more than happy to accept with all their hearts.
This conflict won't end until we do understand the whole picture. I'm painting that picture now and if you don't get it is because you don't want to understand. I'm sorry.
Others could use such names here to specifically direct dates and episodes related to the market.
The old timers aren't here to tell you any "GOSPEL" (as truth we want to preach), but to let you know the truth, how that happened. That's all. They just think that common sense would tell you that the market strategy wan't fair and they hope we all could revert the situation through this channel and others. Some people understand that and embrace the idea while others won't.
I say to you that if you, whoever you are, respect the others and listen to what they have to say, we could come to talk about the subject properly and discuss it.
The way I see it is to tell you what I know and let you decide for yourself. That's what should be happening here. When truth is spoken, or a fact is described, people have to understand that is what it is. Just facts.
I know, and others too, that those cartoon names were created for the business as an easier and fancy way to direct the attention to the product. Fact.
That's not the worse part, but the huge price tags accompanying the polyps, anemones and corals came with it. Fact.
Doesn't matter if we're going to change it or not. We're just educating the newbies about what happened in the past. We're not here to fight with you, but to let you know how that thing started.
I would be so glad if I was starting in the hobby today and someone would tell me that. I just don't understand the big deal around it!!!
Today we have this thing going on and it is what it is. We just can't change.
I do believe that after a serious work with the zoanthids' nomenclature is published we'll be able to direct our attention to the real scientific names. Part of the present nomenclature mess will be cleaned up and some of us will choose to use those names.
Q: Who likes cartoon names better than scientific nomenclature?
A: Kids.
The nomenclature of zoanthids isn't the only reason, but mainly, the choice of many hobbyists of calling those cartoon names. That's not a big problem and I believe we just have to understand each other.
It is normal to use cartoon names nowadays and that's perfectly fine. No a big deal.
Again, friendship here and in any other place where we meet is more important to the hobby and to the people involved than trying to say who is right or wrong.
The facts are real and the way the names were born and introduced were that way. Nobody can change that too. No matter what!
My opinion is that it was a disgusting thing and unfair to the hobbyists, but I can't change and if I want to talk to the kids, I do have to respect them. The kids themselves are more important than my opinions. I do hope the kids to respect me the same way I do.
I wish we could just drop this cartoon names issue for the sake of our relationship here and in other places.
I know that many people understand my words and agree with me. Most of us really know that the prices with those names aren't fair and it's just one more way to make easy money, but we can't help. Let's try to educate people about zoa keeping and make friends, should we?
This is not only for the "old timers", but for the newbies too.
The newbies should ask questions to the old timers in order to learn about what they have to say, not reject their teachings and point of view.
What's the problem when one say that those cartoon names were invented to make easy money? I don't see any problem.
Most of the called old timers are here to help others. That's very valuable.
It will be a really bad thing if this forum happen to have only cartoon IDs and newbies!
Believe me on that!!!
We have that space for those "IDs" already and it's very boring IMO!!!!!
With all the respect,
Grandis.
Just a "great market idea".
The way things went after that was what I call the "snow ball". Even the SPS and other corals have cartoon names and fat price tags too... They came basically the same way and about the same time... The easier identification is for money...
Newbies take advantage and like to exchange info that way. No problem. Even some of the so called "old timers" do that too. No problem.
At that time the people that were in the hobby felt the business strategies that were coming and some got angry. At the same time they couldn't do anything anyway, so the strategy was born.
The new people coming after that didn't know any better and because of the lack of REAL identification for the organisms, specially zoanthids, the newbies were more than happy to accept with all their hearts.
This conflict won't end until we do understand the whole picture. I'm painting that picture now and if you don't get it is because you don't want to understand. I'm sorry.
Others could use such names here to specifically direct dates and episodes related to the market.
The old timers aren't here to tell you any "GOSPEL" (as truth we want to preach), but to let you know the truth, how that happened. That's all. They just think that common sense would tell you that the market strategy wan't fair and they hope we all could revert the situation through this channel and others. Some people understand that and embrace the idea while others won't.
I say to you that if you, whoever you are, respect the others and listen to what they have to say, we could come to talk about the subject properly and discuss it.
The way I see it is to tell you what I know and let you decide for yourself. That's what should be happening here. When truth is spoken, or a fact is described, people have to understand that is what it is. Just facts.
I know, and others too, that those cartoon names were created for the business as an easier and fancy way to direct the attention to the product. Fact.
That's not the worse part, but the huge price tags accompanying the polyps, anemones and corals came with it. Fact.
Doesn't matter if we're going to change it or not. We're just educating the newbies about what happened in the past. We're not here to fight with you, but to let you know how that thing started.
I would be so glad if I was starting in the hobby today and someone would tell me that. I just don't understand the big deal around it!!!
Today we have this thing going on and it is what it is. We just can't change.
I do believe that after a serious work with the zoanthids' nomenclature is published we'll be able to direct our attention to the real scientific names. Part of the present nomenclature mess will be cleaned up and some of us will choose to use those names.
Q: Who likes cartoon names better than scientific nomenclature?
A: Kids.
The nomenclature of zoanthids isn't the only reason, but mainly, the choice of many hobbyists of calling those cartoon names. That's not a big problem and I believe we just have to understand each other.
It is normal to use cartoon names nowadays and that's perfectly fine. No a big deal.
Again, friendship here and in any other place where we meet is more important to the hobby and to the people involved than trying to say who is right or wrong.
The facts are real and the way the names were born and introduced were that way. Nobody can change that too. No matter what!
My opinion is that it was a disgusting thing and unfair to the hobbyists, but I can't change and if I want to talk to the kids, I do have to respect them. The kids themselves are more important than my opinions. I do hope the kids to respect me the same way I do.
I wish we could just drop this cartoon names issue for the sake of our relationship here and in other places.
I know that many people understand my words and agree with me. Most of us really know that the prices with those names aren't fair and it's just one more way to make easy money, but we can't help. Let's try to educate people about zoa keeping and make friends, should we?
This is not only for the "old timers", but for the newbies too.
The newbies should ask questions to the old timers in order to learn about what they have to say, not reject their teachings and point of view.
What's the problem when one say that those cartoon names were invented to make easy money? I don't see any problem.
Most of the called old timers are here to help others. That's very valuable.
It will be a really bad thing if this forum happen to have only cartoon IDs and newbies!
Believe me on that!!!
We have that space for those "IDs" already and it's very boring IMO!!!!!
With all the respect,
Grandis.
