LED lit tanks and growth

dgasmd

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I have been out of the hobby for a while. While I try to catch up with the advances in equipment over the last few years, the one thing that strikes me most is the variety of tanks I see lit with LED these days.

Could anyone supply me with links to go do some reading about the efficacy of the different units around? Last I was in the hobby, Sanjay's articles and comparisons of different MH reflectors/bulbs were the bible to go by. Anything similar about LED??

Thanks.
 
Tagging along. I've been out a long time. Based on my research and discussions, I am going with Radion LEDs in order to (1) reduce the electric bill (my passed experience was with MH), (2) reduce heat (see past experience).
 
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Me too!
And btw I took a look into the last tank of the month's and most of them use mh or t5's, and only one or two uses LEDs. I think it is not a coincidence.
 
Yes, when LED first got into the scene, I remember having a conversation with Mike Paletta, who had used them for a while by then. His take was that they did not work at all for fleshy LPS like acanthastreas or for SPS, but were OK for some some softies. I presume they have improved since then??
 
I would say it's a coincidence, the biggest factor is that led's capable of growing a full blown reef have only been around for a few years. How long have metal halide and t5's been around.

That's like looking at the TOTM five years back and saying vortechs are no good because none of them are in the TOTM tanks.

You can grow anything you want under leds. They're like any other light, research how they work and determine how much you need for your tank. Don't go by manufacturer suggestions either. As odd as it sounds, they actually try to under sell the amount of lighting you'll need.
 
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I would say it's a coincidence, the biggest factor is that led's capable of growing a full blown reef have only been around for a few years. How long have metal halide and t5's been around.

That's like looking at the TOTM five years back and saying vortechs are no good because none of them are in the TOTM tanks.

You can grow anything you want under leds. They're like any other light, research how they work and determine how much you need for your tank. Don't go by manufacturer suggestions either. As odd as it sounds, they actually try to under sell the amount of lighting you'll need.

Well said. All you have to do is look around this forum and other means of media... youtube, google, etc... LED success is incredibly easy to find. It's right in front of you.
 
To add to what I said earlier, there are vendors that sell high end sps frags that are grown out under led. I think that speaks to the efficacy of led lighting.

My new tank is a 135 gallon and I'm using 4 Kessil a360we tuna blues on it. It will be will be mostly sps with a few sacrificial pieces of flubber added in case i want to add some angels or butterflies later on.
 
January 2015 TOTM using only LEDs. In this case original AquaIllumination VEGAs and SOLs, several generations back from their current lights and by today's standards far less coverage, PAR and spectrum.

They seem to grow a pretty nice reef tank despite those limitations :eek1:
 
LED lit tanks and growth

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This is 5 months growth under two radion gen 2 xr30s. I hate seeing things like "leds can't grow corals". It's just not true. I've grown all sorts of corals under all sorts of LEDs. I have reef brite strips par38 bulbs diy fixtures I built and my radions (currently alone on the tank). They all grow coral. That said I agree the main issue is coverage as it's easy to get shading.
 
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Here is a different coral again 5 months elapsed between these two pics. You can see the "fleshy" lobophyllia in the back growing as well.
 
I'm not disputing the fact that they work. Also, be skeptic of lots of the pictures you see of fantastic tanks online. People have a tendency to post what they want you to see and leave out way too many stories, facts, and details that would make you see the same tank and picture completely different. That has been going for ages, and this is not did erected about anyone here in particular btw!!

What I want to read about is more specifics to commercially available units, what specific combo of light colors and intensity, what area coverage, duration of use (hrs during the day on/off), and any other specific info that would allow a person starting out to use as a framework to copy and start from. Yes, all tanks are different and corals react differently, but you get the point I think

Also, that's to those with contributions here btw.
 
Check my build thread. I have posted quarterly pictures and discuss my lighting a bit. This tank has been LED from the start. My last pictures were from month 15 of living things in the tank.
 
Oh, and to your original post, there is no bible, and while we're seeing some very good results with it, it is very much still being explored, almost at an early stage. There is a lot of information on efficacy, but it's something about the projection or quality of light that we haven't yet captured or understood well enough with LEDs to make a solid consistent solution for. I've talked to some substantial reefers in the NYC about it, and followed a LOT of threads on it (the debate is never ending), but generally it's still in it's infancy, and if you want plug and play, stick with MH or T5.

LEDs can be great, but there is a learning curve, and it's not intuitive, easy, or well-defined by others (or even the market). We're still seeing less underside growth on SPS and some other artifacts of the beam of light being much narrower than expected (even without lenses entirely), and with all of the LED pucks out there it adds even more confusion to how to appropriately spread light to get even growth and coloration. It's a tough mix because if you do a puck the colors blend nicely, but then you get a shaft of light and the light definitely doesn't bounce and reflect all over the place like MH did, but if you go with wider fixtures, you run into "disco ball" effect where a hole in the rock that only one LED reaches into will shine a red or green spotlight further down into the tank which apparently some people get very distracted by (?seriously?!).

I hope you get some good answers and not just another long MH vs. LED thread (which are ALL OVER this forum).
 
My tank is still cycling at the moment, but it's 48 x 24 x 27 tall. I'm going with 4 kessil 360we tuna blues to light it. From what I've read, that should be enough lighting. Spacing the pucks out at 1 foot seems to give good coverage with minimal shadowing. I will be documenting growth as I start transferring frags to the new tank, which should be another week or two.
 
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