Lets talk about Vodka/sugar dosing

[stony_corals]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10952753#post10952753 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by woz9683
I found one place where Hahn mentions the difference in dosing amount between vodka and everclear. Although I'm not aware of any vodkas at only 40 proof.

I think he's a bit confused, most vodka is 80 proof or 40% alcohol... Though everclear is up there in % of alcohol...

 

[stony_corals]

So has color improved in your sps since dosing C? Any data about nutrient levels?

 

[damura]

whether you use everclear or vodka doesn't matter as long as you calculate the difference. i use Vodka which is 40% ethanol, if i would be able to use everclear i would dose half the amount, because the ethanol concentration in it is approx. double (95%) that's all

 

[acrylic_300]

I'm very interested in learning more about the corals eating bacteria. Supposedly the vinegar bacteria take up alkalinity then later release it.

I have witnessed that Alk readings gradually rise sort of like a time release when using vinegar.

I'm wondering how it effects a coral to eat a bacteria that has taken up alkalinity. Is this how corals normally take up Alk? can they use it the same way?

Anyone have an idea about this?

 

[SDguy]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10958762#post10958762 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by stony_corals
So has color improved in your sps since dosing C? Any data about nutrient levels?

I would also be curious. Anyone dose purely to help coral colors (ie no macro or micro algae problems to begin with)? What were the results?

 

[stony_corals]

Peter, I have. While my intended use was to lower nutrient levels, the end goal was to improve colorization. It has, though with some slight overdosing, I've seen corals go pale in colorization, meaning that they are probably suffering from N limitation.

acrylic_300, yes, that is one of the key components of the probiotic approaches (Zeo etc) that the corals will consume the bacteria.

 

[SDguy]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10959552#post10959552 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by stony_corals
acrylic_300, yes, that is one of the key components of the probiotic approaches (Zeo etc) that the corals will consume the bacteria.

Then perhaps O3 use may be counterintuitive after all...

 

[acrylic_300]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10959644#post10959644 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by SDguy
Then perhaps O3 use may be counterintuitive after all...

What I was thinking about was all the times Iv'e heard don't dose carbon without the most powerful skimmer.

I'm wondering if you all ready have low nutrients....why not load some bacteria up and let the corals feed on them without skimming so heavily?

If you don't skim them out what happens? They are low on the food chain...can zooplankton eat bacteria? Or is bacteria considered zooplankton?

 

[stony_corals]

I don't think so Peter. Jorg recommended it due to the increased demand for O2...

 

[acrylic_300]

Why couldn't oxygen demand be controlled by dosing. Don't get me wrong I understand the hazards. I killed a fish or two screwing around with sugar and recommended doses.

I poured 50 ml in my nitrate reactor and overdosed once I have not dosed over 1/4 tsp since that day.

O3 and skimmers probably kill them before they meet their full potential. If the full potential is depleting oxygen then that is good.


On a side note: I have removed them with a 100 micron filter. I'm sure they don't get that big; however, as they colonize the filter they plug it up. It actually removes them pretty fast.

 

[crab0000]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10958736#post10958736 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by stony_corals
Just curious how you came up with this solution? Did you just start dosing at that level? How long?

I saw it in another thread. The rational was that the different carbon sources would fuel different strains of bacteria. I started with .3 mL twice per day for ~ a week, then bumped it to .6 and have been dosing that for ~ 2 weeks.

 

[Dawn II]

Can I use Prodibio at the same time as Vodka?

 

[sprite]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10975345#post10975345 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Dawn II
Can I use Prodibio at the same time as Vodka?

i do!

 

[jamesdawson]

Yes,

Its a good idea to dose some bacteria like Prodibio's BioDigest or Fauna Marin's Ultra Bio or Zeo's stuff periodically to replenish the diversity and prevent a monoculture.

James

 

[JE]

I HEARD IF YOU DOSE SUGAR YOU WILL GET SOME SWEEEEET CORALS!!

 

[burris]

what happens if you don't "replenish the diversity" of your bacterial population?

 

[dvanacker]

SWEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEET! DUDE.

I just started dosing sugar. Can't wait for the colors.....

 

[boxfishpooalot]

5ml vodka = 1tsp of sugar approx.

HTH

 

[SDguy]

Has anyone seen what they are pretty sure were the detrimental results of a "monoculture"?

 

[acrylic_300]

I'm skeptical about "monocultures". I was under the impression that bacteria will exist regardless.

Take a gallon of pure water throw in a dead shrimp = bacteria.

I would think it would be really hard to get a mono culture even if you tried.

Wouldn't feeding introduce new bacteria?