Let's talk football...

[digidana]

dave clawson was actually the speaker at this week's QB club (brave man), not just the coach-on-hand, but the speaker for the entire thing. and he said that crompton is a very talented QB Monday through friday, but when he gets out there on saturday's he's just losing it somehow. his progression is good, he know's the plays and studies the films, but just drops it on saturday.

i know a lot of people are down on fulmer, but i think he's a great coach. people are looking for somebody to blame and he's an easy target, but i know he lives for this game and this team. maybe he's getting a little tired, but look at the fans. that kind of stress over that many years could wear on you even if you were superman. he knows his sh*t and can turn it around, i'm convinced. he just needs a little cooperation from the QB. a couple of the offensive players rock and the defense was looking pretty darned good on saturday. and look at lincoln. holy COW! some REALLY nice kicks.

the fans are fanatics for sure. i moved here 13 years ago from DC, and the vols are bigger here than the redskins were there. but, randy, the games aren't THAT bad with the booing. i take my 12 YO son to nearly every home game, i'm sure ashley could handle it! just don't sit near the A section. the players never hear any of the cheers or jeers anyway.

i'm like you, randy, i stay or watch til the very last second, and hold hope the entire time. i'm not ready to give up on them yet, and even if they're 1-10, i'll be at the last game!

 

[ct_vol]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13458642#post13458642 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by digidana
but, randy, the games aren't THAT bad with the booing. i take my 12 YO son to nearly every home game, i'm sure ashley could handle it! just don't sit near the A section.

Our tickets would be in the Student section... Its a different world over there... lol Been in both...

 

[fishdoc11]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13458696#post13458696 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by ct_vol
Our tickets would be in the Student section... Its a different world over there... lol Been in both...

IME the drunk frat boys and sorority girls are what make the student section so um...charming. At least the really bad ones are usually gone at half time...puking or sleeping
The vast majority of the students are actually a lot of fun to watch the games with. They really get into it.

 

[ct_vol]

My first time around I enjoyed the student sections... Then I moved to the other sections... At first I thought it was boring... And there are definately times when I missed being with the students singing Rocky Top... I'm definately grouchier now... Ashley isn't a big fan of crowds either...

I'll probably go to Homecoming and Kentucky... Those will be fun games...

 

[digidana]

i've never gotten to sit in the student section...i think there's an age limit. :eek2: but seeing the really drunk guys that were drug off with one shoe gone, that gave me a pretty good idea of what i was missing. the whole stadium sings rocky top, so you don't have to worry about that. it was one of the first songs my son learned to play on his trumpet, btw. on away games he plays it from our deck at home when we score, just in case the neighbors need to know!

 

[Runner]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13457967#post13457967 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by fishdoc11
He's referring to the AUBURN - Vandy game

My bad. I admit I do not keep track. Anything I know about the SEC is by pure osmosis. Auburn, Vandy, UT. All the same to me -- just another SEC team. Only Georgia has my pure, unadulturated disdain.

I was at GT when we had two seasons of 2-9 and 3-8 (oddly enough, beat the 6-0 #2 ranked team that year). By the end of the second season, there were only about 5000 fans in attendance and they were booing and mocking the home team. I still remember when our new punt returner dropped the ball twice in a row before finally catching it on the 3rd attempt -- the student section gave him a standing ovation. Fans can be brutal in lean times.

 

[zt444a]

Hello Guys and allow me to weigh in here! I am a fellow reefer in St.Louis, MO. and originally form the East TN. area. I grew up there and have been a lifelong UT fan, Vol Supporter and my blood runs Deep Orange.

I have followed UT football since before the Bill Battle days and fans have always been the same, and many will boo at the drop of a hat. I do not advocate any sort of disrespect and rudeness to a specific person, especially in public.

However, in the last couple of seasons it appears to me that Tennessee has had the talent, but at times it has appeared that their motivation for the game, or their preparedness was lacking. That is something that, especially at the college level, must be laid at the coaches feet. I have always had a sense that they played down to their opponents level and had a tendency to look to the next game on the schedule instead of that week's opponent.

Losing the UCLA game was awful. The Auburn game was pathetic. Support Coach Fulmer all you want, but lets call it what it is, ok? THe team has stunk the last few years and this season it appears to be working on a new level of bad! I know Auburn is a highly rated team, or rather was, but to score only what we did is unacceptable. Jonathon Crompton does not look like he has command of the offense nor does he make very good decisions.

It is a double-edged sword in that losses and bad seasons will multiply like fleas on a hound dog and then your recruiting gets tougher and even more bad seasons pile on as the other schools start kicking your booty on a regular basis.

It might be time for a change...

Sorry for rambling on... GO BIG ORANGE

 

[EvilMel]

No offense McLovin, BUT I think it's pretty clear that booing your own team could hurt recruitment. No one wants to go to a team that is unsupported by it's fans during the bad times.

I have actually been to two UT football games, believe it or not. Both times I sat in the student section. The first time I was so far up into the stands that the sun blazed into my eyes until the game was almost over. The second time was the Notre Dame game (which had the second highest attendance ever, up until that time). There were people touching every inch of me and you couldn't even move. Someone called my friend a "female dog" because she was tall and tried to start a fight with us. It was miserable. I vowed then and there to never go to another game, EVER.

On the subject of why UT is losing: I have heard that it's partially the offensive coach's fault for running the same tired plays that have been run for years and years. Wasn't he brought in to breathe some new life into the offense, yet they're still doing the same plays/formations as previously? Discuss!

 

[zt444a]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13461451#post13461451 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by EvilMel

I have actually been to two UT football games, believe it or not. Both times I sat in the student section. The first time I was so far up into the stands that the sun blazed into my eyes until the game was almost over. The second time was the Notre Dame game (which had the second highest attendance ever, up until that time). There were people touching every inch of me and you couldn't even move. Someone called my friend a "female dog" because she was tall and tried to start a fight with us. It was miserable. I vowed then and there to never go to another game, EVER.

On the subject of why UT is losing: I have heard that it's partially the offensive coach's fault for running the same tired plays that have been run for years and years. Wasn't he brought in to breathe some new life into the offense, yet they're still doing the same plays/formations as previously? Discuss!

Don't give up on going to games because of a bad experience in the student section. Unfortunately with the cost of tickets and availability, the student section tickets are often all there are for sale for the better games (not to mention price). Getting felt up by a bunch of drunks at a game is still unacceptable. But the game day experience at a UT home game is second to none. It helps to enjoy football too!

Tired plays? Not so sure, but lack of execution... definately. It is the coaching staff's responsibility to get the team prepared for each game. These last two seasons I have seen (IMHO) what looks to be a lack of preparedness in the Vols.

 

[macclellan]

I've been to most games during the four years I've lived in TN. I mostly find the drunks amusing, moreso when I'm one of them - but I've always been able to stand on my own, keep my bodily fluids inside, and keep my hands off of other people. I can see being turned off by the whole scene though - particularly females. :bum:

I haven't been to a single game this year - let's just say that TN chose the most inopportune of years to start charging students for tickets.

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13461451#post13461451 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by EvilMel
No offense McLovin, BUT I think it's pretty clear that booing your own team could hurt recruitment.

I didn't deny that booing could hurt recruitment; I just said it is probably a very minor factor dwarfed by the W/L record since 2000, Fulmer's losing record to the better coaches in the SEC (Spurrier, Saben, Miles, and Myers), lack of SEC Championship, lack of a BCS game, declining national perception of the program, etc. etc. Also, a major issue is that Fulmer used to be able to cherry pick out of GA, LA, etc. basically at will. But now with Saben, Miles, etc. with strong programs on the upward spiral, TN for all appearances on a downward spiral, and the greater parity in general in the SEC, it is a lot harder to convince that talent that TN is the place to be.

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13461451#post13461451 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by EvilMel
I have heard that it's partially the offensive coach's fault for running the same tired plays that have been run for years and years. Wasn't he brought in to breathe some new life into the offense, yet they're still doing the same plays/formations as previously? Discuss!

I read that Clawson said that he had to restrict his playbook because Crompton wasn't capable of running a lot of the plays, and that during the season, he's had to restrict the playbook even further based on Crompton's performance. The spread simply doesn't work if your QB cannot throw a football. At present, I don't think it is possible to judge the capabilities of Clawson's offense due to the total incompetence at QB - just as you can't judge a novel based off of a Cliff's Notes version of a Reader's Digest Condensed Book version of that novel.

 

[easttn]

I graduated in 1990 and have been a VOL my whole life. I can no longer take Phil and his predictable game plans, or his inability to rotate cold players out for hot ones. The recruiting is getting more dismal as we wane from 1998 and to me that is all on Fulmer's plate.

Since Randy Sanders took the first bullet (thanks btw) and Phil is now looking to Dave Clawson for QB coaching, we are in deep d00 d00. I was in the Flordia and Auburn games, it was painful to watch the lack of gameday coaching Phil exibited compared to the coaches across the field. We have a poor leader.

Let me be the first....Peyton Manning for head coach. He's in mid career and got hurt for the first time last year, he may be wanting to leave...I dunno. I do think he is a better leader, he certinaly could get much better recruits - particularily in the star positions, and he is very respected in the VOL nation. He still comes to home games in his bye weeks, I think he would do it. His work ethic may even carry over and keep some of our kids out of jail, btw total lack of leadership there.

Prediction
N. Ill - W
Dawgs - L (Idle before we play them)
Bulldogs - L
Tide - L
C0cks - L (Idle before we play them)
Cowboys - W
Admirals - L
Big Blue - L (Idle before we play them)

3 - 9

I'll still watch-em as they are too close to my heart.

This response was in rebuttal to the booing issue. My son was at both schools being recruited for swimming, the performace was an added factor to his decision to not sign with UT.

Peyton...Peyton....Peyton!

 

[zt444a]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13463626#post13463626 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by easttn
I graduated in 1990 and have been a VOL my whole life. I can no longer take Phil and his predictable game plans, or his inability to rotate cold players out for hot ones. The recruiting is getting more dismal as we wane from 1998 and to me that is all on Fulmer's plate.

You are spot on there! The play calling has been nothing short of awful, but sometimes maybe you go a certain direction there because you only have talent that can do so much.

And I also agree with the seeming inability to go with the hot hand , as it were, with the players who are fresh or just for a change when things are obviously not going in the right direction.

 

[Runner]

It isn't exactlly football -- well, it is actually basketball -- but I now play on Wednesday nights with a professional boxes as well as a guy who was a running back for UT a couple years ago. All of a sudden, I am the little quick guy who doesn't drive the lane...

 

[digidana]

has anybody heard what time the game is going to be on CR meeting day with MS State?

 

[macclellan]

It's still TBA.

 

[hesstondc]

Found tickets to UT Vandy....50 yard line, 40 rows up...
IT will be a barn burner

 

[easttn]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13474785#post13474785 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by hesstondc
Found tickets to UT Vandy....50 yard line, 40 rows up...
IT will be a barn burner

That is very sad and funny. :lol: :lol:

 

[hesstondc]

I know we lost, and are not looking to good this yearm ih well its just football, could be worse we could be tn...HA!

Just a joke guys

 

[OceanDweller]

As an Alabama alumn do you think Fulmers head is on the chopping block? The sec is almost becoming too demanding. I mean I think alot of schools were overrated preseason in the sec. Auburn has a totally new offense, new defensive and offensive coordinatiors, and a ton of new guys. Its about the same with Tennessee with the new QB and with LSU. I expect alabama will be ranked high next year but who knows how they will play with a new QB. To all the people who thought LSU should be ranked #1 preseason, did they not look at the ammount of talent LSU sent to the NFL last year, wow... not to mention the QB situation. I am out here in Irvine and USC I swear thinks there the best team in the nation bar none. I have heard so many people say preseason USC has the best team to ever compete in college football.. so very sad a thing to say before the year even started.

Tennessee is in the last place in the east "and I am not just saying that bc I am an Alabama fan" Common guys what is up? You have the talent, no? Last year sec east?

 

[fishdoc11]

Unfortunately we don't have the talent and haven't for several years. We have a few players but we are a mediocre SEC team during the good years lately and this year is terrible. Florida, LSU and Georgia and now you guys (Bama) have a good bit more talent than we do right now. Fulmer is all but gone from what I hear. Just what I've heard but several people are saying 7-5 probably won't save his job and that's obviously the best we could do. It's supposedly a sure thing if we go 6-6 or worse.
I will say I think Saban has showed a lot of class the last couple of weeks and I appreciate that. I know you Bama fans have waited a long time to get back in the running and I know yall are excited.