Levamisole In-Tank Treatment for AEFW

[James404]

I seem to have had a bad reaction to the vermisol as well.

I would say with certainty

Stay away from the foys. If you are going to try this at all use the purest levimisol you can get.

The next day a few otherwise healthy colonies rtn'd in my qt and the water was cloudy white even this morning. I dosed on wednesday evening. I am very glad I pulled a few of the real nice ones before I dosed but still disappointed in my losses. I think I'll let the tank recover for a while before I attempt to use the prohibit. I may just hold off until some better dosage data and results come out.

I still can't say for sure if the qt even has FW's. I just want a safe regimen that works for peace of mind.

For anyone who used this method with prohibit in there qt tanks only. Were you able to completely eradicate them? 100%

Sorry for your losses rtbm I wouldn't say with certainty that it was just the vermisol that caused it, levamisol in itself can be hard on corals. Maybe I'm wrong and you'll have better luck with the prohibit product. I personally didn't have any RTN from 4 uses of it but as I said earlier it apparently didn't completely erradicate them.

 

[john90009]

i would lean towards maybe a few things maybe stressing the coral before or after causing them to rtn- i haven't had anything rtn on me even a wild piece which the frag rtns every time it gets fragged. so can we have a tally of whos is trying the prohibit solution?

 

[rtbm]

I could have easily overdosed. Both colonies were wild and definitely on the sensitive side. The rest were pretty much unaffected. I know a lot of brittlestars died but plenty survived as well so it wasn't a mega all killing dose. The stars that were out were killed the ones under rocks or in crevices lived. I can offer no input as to weather any fw's were affected, but my corals sure were. Like I said I may hold off for a while. If the tank was crawling with fw's it would be different. I still say keep moving forward. I'd like to see someone do a test like the one jcolettii did but with the prohibit.

That may offer better info on more accurate dosages and time.

 

[john90009]

yes even tho people are seeing improvements after treatment i am afraid that people are going on the note that they may have won and "think" that they are all gone if this were the case then we would see the flatworms fall off and start convulsing like when there dieing in revive. i know alot of people that dipped but didnt say they watched there tank and say that they have been cured.

 

[joeyvu]

Updated with pure PROHIBIT dosing
Last night, I dosed PROHIBIT...My observation..
1. no cloudiness, like with vermisol.
2. fish seems to be less stress...

I believe Vermisol has too much filler which may be starch that is a carbon source...If one overdose carbon like vodka, this is what one see, overpopulation of bacteria that clean water very fast and resulted in less O2, less PO4, less NO3 that will cause RTN...

 

[rtbm]

Yes but the worms................what of the worms my good man?

 

[Rickyrooz1]

yes even tho people are seeing improvements after treatment i am afraid that people are going on the note that they may have won and "think" that they are all gone if this were the case then we would see the flatworms fall off and start convulsing like when there dieing in revive. i know alot of people that dipped but didnt say they watched there tank and say that they have been cured.

I remember you saying you had trouble finding Prohibit, these two sites have it in stock.

http://www.qcsupply.com/540287-prohibit-agrilabs.html

http://www.sheepman.com/ecommerce/ecomm_product_details.asp?prodId=2160

This is where I purchased mine, https://cattlestore.com/p-1119-agri-laboratories-prohibit-soluble-drench.aspx

 

[James404]

Just placed my order for PROHIBIT, more testing to follow when I receive.

I apologize to anyone who bought the vermisol, my intention wasn't for anyone to waste their money. I think so far we have learned some good information and hope that we can really develop a good treatment protocol.

 

[Treed]

Well I have just found AEFW on some of my milli! I have a 180 gallon tank that I will be treating and just ordered the Prohibit a few mins ago. Im hoping this will work to keep them under control because I really dont want to take the tank down and start over. I figured I would join and help share my info with everyone.

 

[rtbm]

Just placed my order for PROHIBIT, more testing to follow when I receive.

I think so far we have learned some good information and hope that we can really develop a good treatment protocol.

This is really what the whole process is about. If something doesn't work, try something else. Trying to eliminate one particular critter while leaving everything else alive is a pretty tall order. Especially when it's sensitive sps we are talking about. Lightning struck once when interceptor was discovered.
Does not mean it can't happen again. We just need to more and more people involved.

 

[joeyvu]

Yes but the worms................what of the worms my good man?

I dosed one hour before light out...I saw few white things stuck on few coral that I cannot catch or take it out due to colonies glue to rock...I will dosed three more dose and get one loose colonies out and dip...and test it out....

Other thing that I did not see is sliming of SPS is very minimal, not like with vermisol...

I will increase my dose up, 2.5gram instead of 2.2 gram for my 127 water volume system next time....

 

[joeyvu]

I apologize to anyone who bought the vermisol, my intention wasn't for anyone to waste their money. I think so far we have learned some good information and hope that we can really develop a good treatment protocol.

James, you should not feel that way....This is all about trial and error...We might win the battle or might loose...yet, I think at least this experimental treatment so far keep them in check...We just have to find the right dosage and frequency...

 

[mike_dani]

I just found some PROHIBIT for 18.95 here is the link

 

[jcolletteiii]

Update. I decanted the treatment water from the cup containing the subject before going to bed this morning, to try and simulate turning on the skimmer and carbon around the 2 hour mark. Well, it worked! IT'S ALIVE (in my creepiest voice). The little flattie who couldn't once again CAN. I don't know what the implications of this are, but it's interesting nonetheless. So this experiment has made me draw some preliminary conclusions.

1. Since Vermisol does not appear to have the same effect on aefw as Prohibit, even at an up to 11x greater dose, it appears that the mass of Levamisol in Vermisol is not the 23.6 milligrams advertised on the bottle. This conclusion is based solely on the disparate outcomes experienced by others.

2. Because Vermisol has additional effects on SPS that Prohibit does not (sliming, possible tissue damage to smooth-skin species), there may be an additional component to the binder that is harmful that may not be present in Prohibit.

3. Premature skimming and/or carbon reacting may have a 'Lazarus effect' on flatworms that are very nearly dead.

 

[elblond]

Very good thread. I also have AEFW in my reef tank. I need Prohibit ASAP!
Where I can order it? What about the dosage for 100gl volume?

 

[shayna123]

Is there a good thread to look at for pics of different pests, what the eggs look like and what the damage usually looks like?

 

[joeyvu]

Update. I decanted the treatment water from the cup containing the subject before going to bed this morning, to try and simulate turning on the skimmer and carbon around the 2 hour mark. Well, it worked! IT'S ALIVE (in my creepiest voice). The little flattie who couldn't once again CAN. I don't know what the implications of this are, but it's interesting nonetheless. So this experiment has made me draw some preliminary conclusions.

1. Since Vermisol does not appear to have the same effect on aefw as Prohibit, even at an up to 11x greater dose, it appears that the mass of Levamisol in Vermisol is not the 23.6 milligrams advertised on the bottle. This conclusion is based solely on the disparate outcomes experienced by others.

2. Because Vermisol has additional effects on SPS that Prohibit does not (sliming, possible tissue damage to smooth-skin species), there may be an additional component to the binder that is harmful that may not be present in Prohibit.

3. Premature skimming and/or carbon reacting may have a 'Lazarus effect' on flatworms that are very nearly dead.

Very good experimentation....

 

[James404]

Is there a good thread to look at for pics of different pests, what the eggs look like and what the damage usually looks like?

This thread is a good resource Shayna:
http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1730682

 

[James404]

Very good thread. I also have AEFW in my reef tank. I need Prohibit ASAP!
Where I can order it? What about the dosage for 100gl volume?

100g would be :

5/300 x 100 = 1.66 grams of levamisole per dose.

There has been a few links in this thread where you can find some Prohibit.

 

[akaimal]

I have been following this thread from the beginning. I found AEFW in my tank about 6 months ago in my 240G fully stocked 3.5 year old SPS reef and after losing few of best SPS’s. Like others noticed it after the red bug interceptor treatment. Interceptor seems to have killed the predator that was keeping the AEFW in check.

I have been dipping and turkey basting for a while now. Man these things multiply and grow like crazy!! The best dip that I found so far is Prazipro. The flatworms fall off and die between 15 and 30 seconds. Also the coral does not appear to be stressed after the dip. I have seen significant improvement in the health of my corals after turkey basting every day for the last two months and manual removal of all the eggs that I can find.

I also tried 8X dosage of Flatworm Exit in my tank!! All it did was kill a lot of small bristle worms and stressed my brittle star. The flatworms were laughing at me for wasting all that money and accomplishing nothing!!

According to report: http://www.springerlink.com/content/b78j5254rw683150/
Individual adults lay multiple egg batches on the coral skeleton,
each egg batch has 20–26 egg capsules, and each capsule contains between 3–7 embryos.

So one adult flat worm left in the tank can produce a minimum of 26*7= 182 AEFW after 3 weeks and after these reach maturity

182*26*7= 33,124 flatworms!

I have been waiting for an in tank treatment for a long time. Keep up the good work guys!! One day we will an effective killer for this pest that’s destroying our community.