Levamisole In-Tank Treatment for AEFW
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Bax
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I got my dose from reading deep into links on the previously sited reference on deworming freshwater fishes. The freshwater dose is too strong at 5 grams / 100 gallons. The dose of 5 grams/ 300 gallons we've been using here is the SAFE dose for the bulk of our critters. There should be room to increase it slightly, but beware that could lead to a Levi OD. We also have to keep in mind, every system is different and displacment will effect dosing.
I've never seen a bunch of flat worms falling off during a treatment, but I have seen my fish gobbling up all the goodies that hit the water column, then they go and hide for a while.
All I can say , is that so far, I have no AEFWs in my system.
I am absolutely paranoid about rebound and I think we all should be. I dip randomly every week or two just to check the corals. I am just waiting for the dust to settle after my first child graduating high school and I plan to re treat as a precaution. I do not know what the long term effects of using Levi will be, but they have got to be better than the long term effects of AEFWs!
Unfortunately, my local club forum, NJ Reefers Club, where I kept the most detailed record of my efforts crashed and we lost an entire year of posts. As a result, the blow by blow details of my treatment are gone. So far, this is still the best "In Tank Treatment" I've come across. Good or bad, recording our efforts here will help dial this in.
SPSEMPIRE
New member
I think the problem is the follow up treatments. If they at too far apart from each other, the offspring is allowed to hatch from the egg sac. I would try to have the treatments no longer than 7 days apart. It might even be best to treat the system with 5 days in between doses.
Just started my first treatment with Prohibit this morning... I will update everyone after the treatment is complete this evening.. Thanks again for all the folks who are taking the hobby on their backs with this one... special note of thanks to James 404 & Bax.
Atomikk
SPS OG
Display getting treated for the 3rd time. This time, just like the QT, it will be getting a rounded number for 8-9 hrs. So we are looking at about 7 grams for about 450 gallons.
Again, just like before, I am using the PROHIBIT product. The best part is that I have seen my milleporas starting to grow, which was the opposite before.
Again, just like before, I am using the PROHIBIT product. The best part is that I have seen my milleporas starting to grow, which was the opposite before.
akaimal
Premium Member
rtbm, For biological control, form reading all the threads, I thought I need a lot of wrasses. But I found out that almost all of my fishes wait for flat worms when I turkey baste.
My Bangai cardinal, percula clown and purple tang loves them. I also have a three wrasses. Yellow corris and radiant wrasses are then best so far. I also have two mandarin gobies. I have seen the green mandarin goby actively looking for flat worms while I am turkey basting.
My Bangai cardinal, percula clown and purple tang loves them. I also have a three wrasses. Yellow corris and radiant wrasses are then best so far. I also have two mandarin gobies. I have seen the green mandarin goby actively looking for flat worms while I am turkey basting.
Prohibit
Prohibit
Couple of quick questions/comments....
First, I just received my order of Prohibit. If I understand the labeling/chemistry, this product is 90% pure/strength?
Is the dosing formula posted up here the same for Prohibit? ...it is a bit unclear?
Also, I am running Ozone in my system, does anyone know what effect if any this would have while dosing Prohibit?
My system is 180 Gallon Display and roughly a 55 Gallon Sump.
So, if Prohibit is 90% pure, 46.8/52 = .9
5/300 X 235 = 3.9
3.9/.9 = 4.33 grams of Prohibit per full tank treatment?
Very much appreciate the input in advance.
I think I am at the beginning stages of this and really want to nip it in the bud! I have them for sure, but not on every Acro...my prized blue millie got tagged while i was out of town, so this past weekend I dipped every acro in Coral RX. .I would say about half had them, but as we all know they are just a time bomb waiting to explode.....
FWIW, interestingly, I have a little frag rack at the top of the tank, no rock, no nothing, in high flow area, and each frag on there is free of the pest and doing really nice...I had read that they will crawl on the live rock in search of food, and even 'jump' into the water the column. Although this seems a bit counter to what they do....
Prohibit
Couple of quick questions/comments....
First, I just received my order of Prohibit. If I understand the labeling/chemistry, this product is 90% pure/strength?
Is the dosing formula posted up here the same for Prohibit? ...it is a bit unclear?
Also, I am running Ozone in my system, does anyone know what effect if any this would have while dosing Prohibit?
My system is 180 Gallon Display and roughly a 55 Gallon Sump.
So, if Prohibit is 90% pure, 46.8/52 = .9
5/300 X 235 = 3.9
3.9/.9 = 4.33 grams of Prohibit per full tank treatment?
Very much appreciate the input in advance.
I think I am at the beginning stages of this and really want to nip it in the bud! I have them for sure, but not on every Acro...my prized blue millie got tagged while i was out of town, so this past weekend I dipped every acro in Coral RX. .I would say about half had them, but as we all know they are just a time bomb waiting to explode.....
FWIW, interestingly, I have a little frag rack at the top of the tank, no rock, no nothing, in high flow area, and each frag on there is free of the pest and doing really nice...I had read that they will crawl on the live rock in search of food, and even 'jump' into the water the column. Although this seems a bit counter to what they do....
Atomikk
SPS OG
Some observatiosn from my two setups today:
Display was given its 3rd dose at almost 7 grams. I checked a few acropora for any signs of bites, and to my delight, nothing was found.
The QT was examined, and after its 3rd dose at nearly 4 grams, there was a few flatworms found. I also found a few more new batches of eggs.
The difference between the two is that I have 7 wrasses in the display, none in the QT. I also did not baste the corals after each dose.
So I can conclude that we are only paralyzing them for a period of time. We are not killing them ouright. If we are, some are more resistant to the Levamisole and thus survive. Therefore, we need to find a higher dosage that allows for a full eradication. OR check if the dosing frequency is suitable to kill each egg hatching cycle.
Display was given its 3rd dose at almost 7 grams. I checked a few acropora for any signs of bites, and to my delight, nothing was found.
The QT was examined, and after its 3rd dose at nearly 4 grams, there was a few flatworms found. I also found a few more new batches of eggs.
The difference between the two is that I have 7 wrasses in the display, none in the QT. I also did not baste the corals after each dose.
So I can conclude that we are only paralyzing them for a period of time. We are not killing them ouright. If we are, some are more resistant to the Levamisole and thus survive. Therefore, we need to find a higher dosage that allows for a full eradication. OR check if the dosing frequency is suitable to kill each egg hatching cycle.
akaimal
Premium Member
mos90: None of the dips kill the eggs.
With coral r/x, I noticed that it takes more time for the flat worms to get off the corals compared to prazipro.
With prazipro, once the worm is off the coral, its dead. It stops moving.
With coral r/x it take a bit more time for the flat worms to die.
I have heard that certain delicate acros are sensitive to coral r/x dip. I never had any issues though.
With coral r/x, I noticed that it takes more time for the flat worms to get off the corals compared to prazipro.
With prazipro, once the worm is off the coral, its dead. It stops moving.
With coral r/x it take a bit more time for the flat worms to die.
I have heard that certain delicate acros are sensitive to coral r/x dip. I never had any issues though.
Bax
Premium Member
rtbm
I have no wrasses, never have. I do have a heniocus butterfly that is a rock picking ADHD crazy fish followed closely in its mania by my coral beauty. I believe these two fish eat a bunch of small critters off the rock and corals.
I do think fish are important. I also dipped extensively prior to treatment. If I felt the coral could take it, dipped every three days.
Bax
Premium Member
You know, that's a really good idea. I did weekly as that was the recomendation. Also I think allowing your system a little time to settle down between doses. I'd be willing to try every 5 days for 5 treatments.
Bax
Premium Member
Nothing treats the eggs!
jcolletteiii
New member
Does anyone with the Foye's Vermisol also have a digital gram scale? Trying to work out the dip dosage based on the pills to see if that will be effective. For the dip dosage http://reefkeeping.com/issues/2007-09/mc/index.php), I need to know the weight in grams of a single tablet. Thanks!
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