Levamisole In-Tank Treatment for AEFW

[Pauliwalnuts]

Guess what guys... LEVAMISOLE SUCKS for an in tank treatment for AEFW's, and now I have the facts to prove it.
As some of you already know, I was using the pure form of the medication at 5 grams of pure Levi to 200 gallons of water (would not recommend anyone going any higher on their dose!!! Fish lost appetite and almost lost two pieces of coral). Breakdown. Tank 150g, and sump 50g. Yes, I did go with the total water volume by the dimensions of the two. Did five treatments altogether, with six day increments. And yes, skimmer's air intake was in the water, so no skimming was taking place during the treatment. Also sock was changed before and after as well.
And guess what now... After a close inspection today with my LED flashlight. One of my colonies had about 10-15 small guys, one huge, and even egg sacks. Did the usual proceeder on the coral (coralrx dip, cut dead areas).
I'm now looking into getting four or five AEFW eating Wrasses. And hopefully, I can keep them under control by turkey basting the coral once a week and letting the wrasses eating the free floating ones.

If you have any further questions, feel free to ask them.

 

[Bax]

Pauliwalnuts

Did you dip at all before dosing?

 

[Pauliwalnuts]

Yes, I did.
???

 

[jarrett shark]

Pauly I was hoping for good news, that sucks to hear. I hope you get them quick and if need me to hold any frags I have the frag tank.

 

[MSHUR]

What would be the best way to remove residual LEvi from the system? i have already vacuum sand bad, use poly filter, changing carbon every week, w/c of cause..

 

[flamron]

I'm now looking into getting four or five AEFW eating Wrasses. And hopefully, I can keep them under control by turkey basting the coral once a week and letting the wrasses eating the free floating ones.

That is my plan as well. I just lost my Vrolik's wrasse a couple weeks ago. I'd had him for several years.

I'm getting three more halichoeres wrasses tomorrow to replace him. Another Vroliks, a marble, and a red spot.

My plan is to run the DT as is, but cut fresh frags and run them through QT and then into the frag tank. This way I can still trade with a level of confidence that I'm not passing on AEFW.

Eventually I may try to treat the display, but I want several backups of all of my coral first before I do that.

 

[DrHarryLopez]

That is my plan as well. I just lost my Vrolik's wrasse a couple weeks ago. I'd had him for several years.

I gathered that I wasn't immune to AEFWs but when I set up an autofeeder to feed several times per day my fish (specifically the wrasse and hawkfish) stopped hunting for food. They were always healthy looking but after the feeder they became obese, then I believe an overgrowth and finally the AEFWs made its appearance.

A few weeks ago I removed the autofeeder, dip those coral that I could remove from the reef, fragged those that I couldn't, and began vigorous turkey basting corals. I feed only every other day.

I found a total of 8 AEFWs AND none in the last few weeks. I believe in my opinion, they must have been in my tank all this time and kept in check by natural predators.

 

[Bax]

What would be the best way to remove residual LEvi from the system? i have already vacuum sand bad, use poly filter, changing carbon every week, w/c of cause..

Carbon Skimming & Water Change



Siphoning is for the dead and diying stuff

 

[Jay4Robin]

Just an update after about a week.

I lost 2 corals from my Po4 going up.
I have tons of dead pods and brisstle worms in my refugium.

My corals browned slighlty. I have cut back on feeding my fish.

I have a small outbreak of HA. And I am not use to this cause I run Zeovite.

I do have a slight leak on my collection cup on my skimmer:hammer:. That ****ed me off. Proline is sending a new one under warranty. My LPS love it.

As far as AEFW I have not seen any. No more damage on my sps. I have been blowing off my corals twice a day. I did get a male melanorous wrasse and have a large 6 line in the display. I put a female melanorous in my refugium.
I will do another treatment on Thursday.
On Saturday I will also dip a few corals to see if I have any critters.

I will also load up on blue legs to clean up the dead critters.

 

[Jay4Robin]

No fish dead. More HA.

I did load up with hermits and a few turbo snails.

I will do a water change on Saturday.

Now I need to worry about the hurricane.:hmm4:

 

[BuckeyeTodd]

would aefw be on encrusting montipora?

 

[flamron]

No they do not affect montiporas.

 

[BuckeyeTodd]

Since prohibit is unavailable right now(Unless someone has some extra they would sell me), my plan right now is I added a second wrasse. I just took every rock that has a acro on it and dipped the whole rock for fifteen minutes in revive. I will continue to do this weekly for a month, at which point hopefully prohibit will be available and then I will start that treatment for a month. Is it likely that there will be eggs on a rock that doesn't even have an acro(By dipping whole rock, is there a chance revive will be effective on its own)?

 

[Jay4Robin]

Since prohibit is unavailable right now(Unless someone has some extra they would sell me), my plan right now is I added a second wrasse. I just took every rock that has a acro on it and dipped the whole rock for fifteen minutes in revive. I will continue to do this weekly for a month, at which point hopefully prohibit will be available and then I will start that treatment for a month. Is it likely that there will be eggs on a rock that doesn't even have an acro(By dipping whole rock, is there a chance revive will be effective on its own)?

I do not think prohibit will be around much longer due to restrictions being put in place

 

[hk855]

So I got my vermisol today from igo pro, ordered it on Monday, emailed their disclaimer on Tuesday and it made it across the country in 4 days so I recommend them as a source, $25 shipped for 100g at 75mg/g.

So to dose my 60g I'm estimating at 55g with sump volume.

55g/300g=.1833
.1855x5g=.9166g of levamisole
.9166g/(.075g Levi/g powder)= 12.2g powder

I just want to make sure im understanding the dilution first so I don't overdose 10x what I'm supposed to and kill everything. It seems like the errors mentioned in the first few pages were dealing with 90% levamisol.

So I am correct then I want 12.2g, but if it's 5g powder to 300g then I just want 1g.

Thanks

 

[hk855]

Well I went ahead and treated today fo 6 hours. Everything looked ok except my hammer sank back and didn't look happy. Hopefully this will solve my aefw problem in a few weeks.

 

[Jay4Robin]

Its been many years in this hobby and I guess I have been lucky.
I guess I am now a member of ther Tank Crash Club.

I am sure that the AEFW are dead or almost gone but my system had such a huge dye off of pods and bacteria from the zeovite reactor it was being stressed from Po4.

After the second treatment so many corals just died. Tissue flew off of them.

I have a few left but I am at the point where i want to just trash the rest and make sure any AEFW starve. I will do a few more treatments for the heck of it.

I will restock my tank once I get out of the rubber room.:wildone:

Once my tank balances out I will restock. My kids wont be having any steak for a while:hmm6:

 

[Bax]

Sorry to hear it Jay.

making a note though ... Zeo is not a good mix with Levi .

seems to fall into same category as sand beds and etablished fuges

 

[Logzor]

Keep in mind, folks, while you may get away with a few treatments (which seem fairly harsh), you really need to be able to treat using this method 6-8 times. These AEFW are not going to go away with 2-3 treatments, I can assure you of that. Sure, there are going to be a few people who think they got rid of them all...but don't fool yourself. AEFW are very very ornery critters.

It is very likely one egg or one adult survives, then slowly repopulates, which could take months to actually notice/identify on larger colonies. Considering that no AEFW are actually being extracted from the system, I find this to be very likely (compared to actually extracting them via dipping).

Point being, I would be very wary of this treatment unless you think your corals can handle 6-8 dips.

The best approach would be to spend 1-2 months basing the corals nightly, scrap any eggs you can find. You basically want to make sure your corals are in the best health possible. THEN proceed with this method.

This is war, you can't just napalm these thing out of their bunkers, you need ground troops too.

 

[DrHarryLopez]

The best approach would be to spend 1-2 months basing the corals nightly, scrap any eggs you can find. You basically want to make sure your corals are in the best health possible. THEN proceed with this method.

This is war, you can't just napalm these thing out of their bunkers, you need ground troops too.

I started battling these guys as well, do you guys think if I remove all acropora corals from my main display and set up a QT, dip in Coral Rx weekly and scape eggs for 4 months would,
a: I starve out any AEFW in the main display tank?
b: Battle and eradicate the AEFW from the QT Tank, maybe even hit the QT with some LEviamisole?
c: Those acro corals that dont seem to be affected placed in a non infected QT

Any advise?

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