LFS against Quarantine

[Daddyrawg]

SO I ran into a LFS owner very knowledgable, but stated that she doesnt believe in quarantining.. says a proper and effective QT would require a larger tank and constant water changes and said who really does that.. Stated QT
approach are actually more stressful on fish.

Better off just having great water quality in DT and not overcrowding tank..

what yall think?

 

[flfireman1]

Your first sentence is wrong. She is not knowledgeable, just ignorant. I was ignorant as well, until I brought in one fish that got everyone else sick. My water quality was excellent since I was growing sps and that had nothing to do with it. Velvet nearly wiped out all my fish. Now I quarantine everything.


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[Tripod1404]

Of course she is!!! How can she sell you more fish if non died.

 

[Pslreefer]

I would agree. I've never qt'd a fish in over a decade and certainly not starting now...

 

[Pslreefer]

Healthy fish are able to ward off parasite and disease. When fish start dying due to them there is another issue causing stress on the fish, which weakens their immune system, thus making them more susceptible to such.

 

[scuzy]

Complete bs healthy fish will die regardless on how healthy they are against pathogens like velvet or uronema.


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[Daddyrawg]

I would agree. I've never qt'd a fish in over a decade and certainly not starting now...

so you don't QT? everything ok regardless right?

 

[Pslreefer]

Correct I do not qt. All my fish are fine and never lost a fish due to not qt'ing. Other issues, yes.

I also like the more difficult to keep type fish and if I wasn't confident in this thinking I wouldn't be spending money on expensive fish just to throw it away....

 

[Pslreefer]

Complete bs healthy fish will die regardless on how healthy they are against pathogens like velvet or uronema.


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Really? So how do you explain me keeping a fish w/o gt'ing??? Luck? After 11 years in the hobby and numerous tanks from me moving all over the us?

 

[Pslreefer]

Complete bs healthy fish will die regardless on how healthy they are against pathogens like velvet or uronema.


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I lost an anthias to uronema in my current tank after I had it about 2 weeks, but none of the others are effected and that was last year.

 

[Tripod1404]

Really? So how do you explain me keeping a fish w/o gt'ing??? Luck? After 11 years in the hobby and numerous tanks from me moving all over the us?

You can live with and manage uronema and ich, but brooks or velvet will wipe a tank clean in a week. Many, including me, live with ich for many many years. It should be least of your concerns.

Uronema is not an obligatory parasite, so it wont target or kill healthy fish. And ich requires multiple cycles to cause enough destruction to kill a fish. Healthy fish should be able to acquire immunity to ich faster than it can potentially kill them. Ich is not a a parasite that aims to kill its host, fish die from the collateral damage (bacterial infections, loss of osmotic balance, etc) ich causes while it pierce in and out of their tissue.

Brooks or velvet systematically kill their host before leaving it. That is the difference, same way why flu does not kill a healthy human you but ebola almost always kill. Being a healty human will not protect you from ebola. Some pathogens let their host live, other kill before leaving. This is a evolutionary choice.

I have certain tank that I dont qt and fish as well, but I am aware that if brooks or velvet ever make their way in, they will wipe all the fish. For those tank, I try to observe all the fish I buy and try to at least use shops and vendors that have a good track record.

 

[Tripod1404]

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[flfireman1]

Healthy fish are able to ward off parasite and disease. When fish start dying due to them there is another issue.

Healthy fish can fight off one or two parasites in an ocean. When you confine them in an aquarium where the parasite has an opportunity to multiply exponentially in confined quarters the odds are stacked against the fish.
No one is saying you cannot keep fish without QTing. But whenever you start introducing new fish you are simply rolling the dice.



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[ca1ore]

I think LFS owners are just like hobbyists: they have different views. I actually find LFS owners/employees more likely than not to promulgate myths and wives tales. QT if you think it's right; don't if you don't. BTW, the initial statement is fundamentally wrong - properly done, a QT does NOT require a large tank nor frequent water changes.

 

[ca1ore]

Healthy fish are able to ward off parasite and disease.

This is the kind of generalization that is both true and untrue. Healthier fish are healthier, therefore less vulnerable to pathogens (whether parasites, fungus or bacteria). But, as noted the ability for some parasites to 'concentrate' in a captive tank can overwhelm even a healthy fish. Then, of course, some species of fish are more susceptible to certain diseases than others.

 

[Pslreefer]

LFS against Quarantine

I think LFS owners are just like hobbyists: they have different views. I actually find LFS owners/employees more likely than not to promulgate myths and wives tales. QT if you think it's right; don't if you don't. BTW, the initial statement is fundamentally wrong - properly done, a QT does NOT require a large tank nor frequent water changes.

Definitely about the tank size. A 10g tank is adequate for most fish unless they are large sized.

 

[Fourstars]

Never have quarantined just accumulate to a healthy tank and feed live food. The fish are mostly stressed from starvation.

 

[olemiss reb]

I was a member of the never QT group. I kept water quality pristine, ran UV/03, and fed a variety of vitamin soaked frozen. This streak of luck worked flawlessly for 15 years. Ich would flare up now and again with new arrivals but I never lost anything and I wondered why people were wasting time with QT when water quality, diet... were all you needed.

I was then introduced to Velvet. Not positive how I introduced it but 90% of the fish died within a week of seeing the first white spot. Pulled the survivors and treated them in CU and let the tank run fallow. Tank is disease free now, but nothing will go into my DT be it a fish, coral, or LR w/o being treated or going through a fallow quarantine.

Velvet in a closed system is a death sentence regardless of husbandry.

 

[jazzy_n_fancy]

This is not a challenge, just a question.. do lfs not qt their fish or dip their coral? If they had sick fish/coral in stock.. won't it wipe out their tanks? Why would they take that risk?

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[Daddyrawg]

I was a member of the never QT group. I kept water quality pristine, ran UV/03, and fed a variety of vitamin soaked frozen. This streak of luck worked flawlessly for 15 years. Ich would flare up now and again with new arrivals but I never lost anything and I wondered why people were wasting time with QT when water quality, diet... were all you needed.

I was then introduced to Velvet. Not positive how I introduced it but 90% of the fish died within a week of seeing the first white spot. Pulled the survivors and treated them in CU and let the tank run fallow. Tank is disease free now, but nothing will go into my DT be it a fish, coral, or LR w/o being treated or going through a fallow quarantine.

Velvet in a closed system is a death sentence regardless of husbandry.

is CU copper? or cupramine? so would i be safe to just set up a 20 gallon QT and run cupramine for 2-3 wks before going into DT?