Lighting suggestions for 58 Reef Ready

bigloggerhead

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I am about to set up my new tank. I've been thinking a lot about lighting. I want to keep some of the more colorful SPS but also some softies. I thought about going with two 150 watt HQI's but was recently told by a local dealer that one 250 watt HQI would probable be better for keeping color in some of the prettier Acros. I've decided I'll probably use 4 30 watt t5 HO's for my actinics. I have just about decided on two of the TEK retro t5 HO kits. They're pretty reasonably priced. I'm not sure about which HQI retro kit would be good. I've looked at one from Catalina on EBAY. Its reasonably priced at $200. Don't know much about them but my friend bought a T5 HO hood from them which he has used for about 3 years with no problems. Just looking for some suggestions on lighting and to see if what I have in mind will work. I'm really wondering what size HQI's and how many. Any feedback would really be appreciated. Geaux Saints!
 
I run 250X2 SE 14k halides on my 58 and I couldnt be any happier. I started with just 1 but I had shady areas on the sides of the tank.

OT: How about them Saints, huge win over Philly yesterday.
 
Thanks for the input. Do you think I will have problems with burning softies with that much light? After all my tank is only 21 inches deep.
 
I run a single 175 watt 14k SE on my 58G with 2 24" VHO's. Coverage is pretty good, here's a shot with just the halide on.

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Do you think I will have problems with burning softies with that much light? After all my tank is only 21 inches deep.
I have 2 x 250wt SE with 14k bulbs over my 65g which is 24inches deep. Yes, you will have to be careful acclimating some corals to the light. I use several layers of window screen to shade areas of the tank where I place new lower light corals. I remove a layer every 3 or 4 days or so over the course of 2 weeks to allow corals to adjust to the new light. The only coral I really had difficulty with was a red open brain coral that could never adjust to direct halide light. I ended up making an overhang with LR to shade it.
 
I think that 2 250 is too much for a 58. I had a 58 with one 150 hqi and 2 x 96 w pc. It was plenty. i had acros, monti, anemones etc. I reccomend the same ot dual 150s/175 at best but twin 250s for that i think is overkill.

Anthony
 
I thought about twin 150 HQI's but I was told that a 250 watt would keep the prettier acros from turning brown. So I as thinking about doing just one 250 HQI retro and using 4 39 watt T5 HO's for my actinics. I'm thinking this would work pretty good.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8368812#post8368812 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by bigloggerhead
I thought about twin 150 HQI's but I was told that a 250 watt would keep the prettier acros from turning brown. So I as thinking about doing just one 250 HQI retro and using 4 39 watt T5 HO's for my actinics. I'm thinking this would work pretty good.

I been thinking similar but use my existing 2 - 24" VHO actinics with this Pfo 250 watt with electronic ballast.

http://www.premiumaquatics.com/Merc...&Product_Code=PFO-MINI250HQ-CS&Category_Code=
 
I've used standard 175 watt Pfo in the past and currently 175 watt electronic without any problems. Never 250 watt standard or electronic yet or the mini pendant. With the Oceanic canopy I only have about 6 1/2 inches to water. With a 175 watt single ended bulb I have about 3 inches with a piece of glass in between to protect the bulb. The mini pendant shows 4 1/2 inches; that would leave me 2 inches, that's close! There's always a single ended 250W. Per Jason at PA if I go single ended I would only need the ballast and bulb, socket is the same.
 
Fortunately I built my own canopy and stand with the help of one of my buddies. We made sure to leave plenty of clearance from the water. The top of my canopy is about 12.5 inches from the top of where the water will be in my new tank. So that hopefully won't be an issue.

One thing I am kinda concerned about is heat. Do you have any issues with heat from the halides on your tank?
 
I run 2x 250W 14k on a 55g.

It is a ton of light. I need to shade some of my LPS. Softies (besides green stripe shrooms) love it though.
 
I don't know what Oceanic was thinking when the built the canopy! They build some sweet tanks but the tank guys need to talk to the woodworking guys! :p During the hot summer that just past in California I had to jump on a 1/10 JBJ chiller to cool it. It was getting a tad bit over 81 with a 3" fan blowing in from the back. I didn't wat to mount fans on the side due to light bleeding out. Now the chiller rarely kicks on since its getting cooler.

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8370116#post8370116 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by bigloggerhead
Fortunately I built my own canopy and stand with the help of one of my buddies. We made sure to leave plenty of clearance from the water. The top of my canopy is about 12.5 inches from the top of where the water will be in my new tank. So that hopefully won't be an issue.

One thing I am kinda concerned about is heat. Do you have any issues with heat from the halides on your tank?
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8370152#post8370152 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Nuuze
I don't know what Oceanic was thinking when the built the canopy! They build some sweet tanks but the tank guys need to talk to the woodworking guys! :p During the hot summer that just past in California I had to jump on a 1/10 JBJ chiller to cool it. It was getting a bit over 81 with a 3" fan blowing in from the back. I didn't wat to mount fans on the side due to light bleeding out. Now the chiller rarely kicks on since its getting cooler.
 
58s are a PITA because of that cross brace, and they are just tall enough that 250wattHQIs are justified. But all together, I must agree that 500watts of HQI is overkill, even with just 20,000Ks or something lower in output. If you dont have a cross brace, or are interested in doing a euro-brace mod, then by all means, a 250wattHQI is a great option, maybe a couple 39wattT5s for supplimental blue/actinic depending on the bulb you choose... since a bulb that is blue enough may not be bright enough to run the tank by itself, and a bulb that is bright enough may not be blue enough for your tastes... but thats up to you.

Running dual 150wattDEs is the other option, but thats expensive.. 2x the ballasts, reflectors, bulbs, etc (which often cost just as much if not more than 250watt versions), and dual 150s may not even be bright enough.

FWIW, my best suggestion for lighting a 58g would be T5s. A 6-8 bulb tek light would make just as much, of not more output as dual 250watt halides, but for only 6-8x39watts (240-315 watts about). The available color combinations you would be able to do, and not having to sacrifice as much output when you change types of bulbs (T5 blues are almost as intense as the daylight ones, not 1/2 like with halides). The output will easily put halides to shame, and in case you think you will 'miss the shimmer', let me tell you, I was looking at my 40Bs today that have 250watt halides over them (40B's have no cross brace, I have two 40Bs lit with 250watt halides, and one with 6x39wattT5 Tek), and due to the size of the pendant (about 8"x12") in comparison to the area of the tank, I dont get any shimmer anyways. Shimmer happens more when you get shadows cast from lights that happen to be farther across the tank... a 250wattDE over a 58g isnt going to make much if any shimmer anyways. And dual 150watters would be even worse in that regard.

I would just get a Tek (the new 44s are coming out soon), OR, do a retrofit from Reefgeek.com (use the Tek 6 bulb retrofit, but swap the reflectors for the Icecap SLR's for slightly more output) if you have a canopy. It will cost you less now, and down the road to run (both in bulb replacement costs, and the bulbs last 2x what halides do), and less heat.

I browze throught the German reefing forums, and trust me, the T5s kill the halides... many euro reefers have changed over already, as they have a multitude of options already available (more Mfg's than in the US), and some lighting mfg's are considering pulling their halide only fixtures off the market, and reducing the amount of MH/T5 combo units to meet the demand of the T5 only units. One guy I talked with in Berlin swapped out his 3x250wattDE/HQI halide system for a 6x80wattT5 system, and swears he has 2x as much light now.

Here's a tank you might like to see...
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Its 10' by 30"w x 28" high, lit by nothing but twin banks of 6x80wattT5s. Thats a 430g reef with SPS and clams and under 1000 watts of lighting. You couldnt dream of that with halides.

There are many other tanks like this in the Euro forums. Pretty much everyone looking at a new reef tank over there is looking at T5s.
 
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