Liveaquaria sustainable?
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Depends on how moral you're feeling and how fat your wallet is.
James77
Team RC
You know this how?
gb530
New member
Who wouldn't suggest that? They are directly related, don't quite understand your logic here, lol
Assumption based on the most common industry practices. Liveaquaria doesn't capture their own fish, they get them from a distributor.
Zoodiver
As seen on TV
Sustainable means not clearing out all of the fish so that the wild population can maintain healthy numbers even with what is being collected by humans no matter what you are using: cyanide,MS222, Quinaldine, nets, hook and line, etc...
Not using cyanide doesn't qualify it as 'sustainable' collection.
Finding an honest collector, then an honest shipper, then an honest distributor/wholesaler, then and honest retailer is almost impossible. One doesn't know what the other is doing. They can say anything they want to sell fish, but very rarely does a seller know the source of the fish, or what they have been through prior to ending up in the retail tank.
Not using cyanide doesn't qualify it as 'sustainable' collection.
Finding an honest collector, then an honest shipper, then an honest distributor/wholesaler, then and honest retailer is almost impossible. One doesn't know what the other is doing. They can say anything they want to sell fish, but very rarely does a seller know the source of the fish, or what they have been through prior to ending up in the retail tank.
gb530
New member
It's really not about being in the divers den section, or even on Liveaquaria for that matter. What you should do as a hobbyist is inform yourself on which species of fish/coral you are buying. For example, if you buy a snowflake clownfish or red planet acro, you know they are tank raised specimens. On the other hand, if you buy a blue hippo tang, you should know that this type of fish is almost always caught in the wild from places like Indonesia or the Maldives. Then, looking at which country they come from is important as different countries have different catching practices.
All stores carry sustainable and unsustainable fish/corals, whether online or at your LFS. :beer:
All stores carry sustainable and unsustainable fish/corals, whether online or at your LFS. :beer:
gone fishin
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The only way to know for sure how a specimen was collected is to collect it yourself.
I would make the assumption that Live Aquaria would not knowingly participate in the selling of specimens collected under questionable ethical practices. If they did and word got out it would most likely be a severe blow to their bottom line. just my 2 cents.
I would make the assumption that Live Aquaria would not knowingly participate in the selling of specimens collected under questionable ethical practices. If they did and word got out it would most likely be a severe blow to their bottom line. just my 2 cents.
With the volume they sell, I'm not sure it's wise to make that assumption. The vast majority of fish are collected in the most cost effective manner possible. The price reflects this.
A sustainably collected, wild caught maroon clown costs around $100 here in the states. Many fish cost quite a bit more.
There seems to be a great disconnect between what people say they want, and what they actually purchase. When most people are willing to pay the prices of sustainable collection, only then will it become the rule. Until then, sustainable collection is the exception.
I know the difference between sustainability and cyanide fishing now. I love captive bred but I already have clownfish and cardinals and don't want to get into dottybacks as they are aggresive. I spoke to a guy on the phone from liveaquaria and he basically told me the same thing some of you are, that they wouldn't knowingly but since it is the fishermen that catch them sometimes one may slip buy. Right now all the fish on my cart are from places like Hawaii and Australia where I know I can get minimal impact on the enviroment fish. However I have seen many fish I like from Indonesia which isn't good and wanted to know if I shouldn't get from their or should.
The fish are the proof of the collection methods. If you have a supplier that consitantly has fish that dont do well- you change the supplier. If the fish live- they likely have been collected and handled in a safe manner. As far as numbers collected and exported- that is up to individual gov. agencies to decide.
animalkingdom
New member
+1 If the fish don't do well change suppliers. Although I think we put too much faith in government agencies...
LA uses a few wholesalers but mainly one... one highly known for controlling their "short chain collections (that should be a massive hint to you). While you can;t always be positive, this is one I would bank on.
Agreed on the sustainable part of your post
