Lol

[bluerug]

Its funny how people on here are blaming these people for this behavior when the dog jumped in by itself. These people are actually very close friends of my family and are animal lovers and they joke about loving their dogs more than their own kids all the time, so before jumping to conclusions about how bad these people are, get to know what really happend. The dog jumped in and in fact the people on the boat were shocked and scared at the same time, its one of those things that is scary when it happens but it then becomes somewhat funny because of nerves. about what had really just happend. I was going to let this all go, but when people started bad mouthing others i thought i would let the whole truth come out about what really happend.

 

[bluerug]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10236843#post10236843 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by triggerfish1976
What's the difference.

Is that a joke?

Its like if i jump off the skyline bridge or get pushed off the skyline bridge, whats the difference there?

In my eyes a very big one at that.

 

[InLimbo87]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10236823#post10236823 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by 55semireef
The people didn't order the dog to do this, the dog did it based on instinct...

I'm sorry but dogs do not have the instinct to retrieve sharks. That dog was trained to do that, and to me the audio sounds like its missing something. It wouldn't have been so amazing before they cut out the "go get em" or "go get dem helpless shark over der". Seriously, to think that this is instinct is just ludicrous. Dogs do not typically just attack other living things without being trained to do so.

Any responsible pet owner would also have called the dog back as soon as the dog jumped in the water for safety of the animal. These people are obviously quite proud of their disgusting actions.

 

[55semireef]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10236843#post10236843 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by triggerfish1976
What's the difference.

Well it would have been much worse if the family forced the dog in...

That said, the dog did it on himself. Like Bluecarpet said, the people were very shocked..he knows them.

 

[bluerug]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10236881#post10236881 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by InLimbo87
I'm sorry but dogs do not have the instinct to retrieve sharks. That dog was trained to do that, and to me the audio sounds like its missing something. It wouldn't have been so amazing before they cut out the "go get em" or "go get dem helpless shark over der". Seriously, to think that this is instinct is just ludicrous. Dogs do not typically just attack other living things without being trained to do so.

Any responsible pet owner would also have called the dog back as soon as the dog jumped in the water for safety of the animal. These people are obviously quite proud of their disgusting actions.

Yes they do, its in their genetic code. Do you happen to know where dogs come from?

And thats very nice to say about my friends by the way. Its like when cats come back with their prey and leave it on the floor mat in front of your house. Its in every animals nature to kill things for survival, its just the way its been for thousands of years and nothing will ever change.

 

[55semireef]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10236881#post10236881 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by InLimbo87
I'm sorry but dogs do not have the instinct to retrieve sharks. That dog was trained to do that, and to me the audio sounds like its missing something. It wouldn't have been so amazing before they cut out the "go get em" or "go get dem helpless shark over der". Seriously, to think that this is instinct is just ludicrous. Dogs do not typically just attack other living things without being trained to do so.

Any responsible pet owner would also have called the dog back as soon as the dog jumped in the water for safety of the animal. These people are obviously quite proud of their disgusting actions.

If the audio was edited it would be a different story. Let me clear myself up a bit...the dog retrieved an animal. It is instinct for many species of dogs to retrieve. For you to tell me this dog was trained does not justify anything unless you have actual concrete evidence otherwise.

I also want to clear up that I don't like arguing about stuff like this...especially videos on youtube. I do like a good debate but there is a big difference between arguing and debate. I would have never created this thread if I had known all these people were going to ridicule me and rub it in my face. I truly regret doing it and I am sorry for that. Most of us here are adults and we should handle it more mature.

 

[jay24k]

I'm curious if any of you fish? What do you do when you catch the fish? Pet it and let it go? If it is a nice fish, you pull it and toss it in the ice area.

I really don't see what the difference is. Yes what the dog did might of been a bit cruel but if the fish was dead(didn't appear to move to me), I don't see the big deal. The dog was near shore so it was safe in the water and the shark posed no threat at all.

I think we all have our opinion but no point in bashing or throwing out some of the harsh remarks imo.

 

[InLimbo87]

You don't find it odd that it is the same wave noise over and over again with no other background noise? My guess is that they were yelling something to the effect of "Go get dat dam der shark ober der dammmmmmm dogger". Seriously, do you think that no one would say anything through this whole ordeal?

Dogs are pack animals, and in most households they accept their owners as their "pack leaders". And when these owners encouraged the dog to do this, it did it. It was either trained, or strongly encouraged to do this. There was no instinct telling this dog to retrieve a shark. If it was a squirrel or a duck, you may have an argument here, but a shark?

 

[55semireef]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10236944#post10236944 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by InLimbo87
You don't find it odd that it is the same wave noise over and over again with no other background noise? My guess is that they were yelling something to the effect of "Go get dat dam der shark ober der dammmmmmm dogger". Seriously, do you think that no one would say anything through this whole ordeal?

Dogs are pack animals, and in most households they accept their owners as their "pack leaders". And when these owners encouraged the dog to do this, it did it. It was either trained, or strongly encouraged to do this. There was no instinct telling this dog to retrieve a shark. If it was a squirrel or a duck, you may have an argument here, but a shark?

Dogs do indeed do the weirdest things. My dog attacks the sliding glass door. Why? I have no idea...

 

[bluerug]

Well considering you have no idea what happend and have no idea who these people are please try and keep your opinions what happend to yourself for the fact is that no one on the boat told the dog to go in, it did it on its own. And if you dont understand that, well it is what it is then.

 

[triggerfish1976]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10236863#post10236863 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by bluecarpet
Its funny how people on here are blaming these people for this behavior when the dog jumped in by itself. These people are actually very close friends of my family and are animal lovers and they joke about loving their dogs more than their own kids all the time, so before jumping to conclusions about how bad these people are, get to know what really happend. The dog jumped in and in fact the people on the boat were shocked and scared at the same time, its one of those things that is scary when it happens but it then becomes somewhat funny because of nerves. about what had really just happend. I was going to let this all go, but when people started bad mouthing others i thought i would let the whole truth come out about what really happend.

This is staged IMOP. Animals lovers don't dangle a dead shark, and then let their "beloved" dog jump in and then do nothing to make sure the dog didn't get bit or snagged by the hook in the sharks mouth but oh wait, they knew the shark was dead and how the dog was going to react and it wouldn't get bit. There is also no yelling or distressed screaming, just the sound of waves crashing. The camera also stayed locked on the action and everything stays in focus. If my child jumped in the water to play with a desperate shark I wouldn't just stand there with a video camera and tape it in hopes that something funny might happen shock or not. If they love their dog more than their kids than I hope nothing bad ever happens to their kids while they are present.

 

[jay24k]

A dog could be trained to go get a fish. What is the difference between that and a squirrel or quail or some other animal. At least with this, it is highly possible it was eaten. With squirrels, they are generally tossed away as game which imo is wrong.

I would think it would be cool to have a dog go get a fish for me. However, it would seem impracticle unless you were near a coast.

 

[InLimbo87]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10236938#post10236938 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by jay24k
The dog was near shore so it was safe in the water and the shark posed no threat at all.

How could you be so sure that the shark posed no threat at all? Flight or fight could've taken over after the dog attacked it, and next thing you know that dog would've been the one losing the battle. Not to mention the fact that other sharks could be nearby.

Regardless, this is at the very least irresponsible pet ownership. Would you let your dog do the same? I know I wouldn't because I care about my animals.

 

[InLimbo87]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10236999#post10236999 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by jay24k
A dog could be trained to go get a fish.

I was arguing against 55semireef's post in which he stated that it was "instinct" that the dog retrieved the shark. I am completely advocating that this was a trained behavior, and in no way was it an instinctual behavior.

 

[bluerug]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10237001#post10237001 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by InLimbo87
How could you be so sure that the shark posed no threat at all? Flight or fight could've taken over after the dog attacked it, and next thing you know that dog would've been the one losing the battle. Not to mention the fact that other sharks could be nearby.

Regardless, this is at the very least irresponsible pet ownership. Would you let your dog do the same? I know I wouldn't because I care about my animals.

The shark was near death anyways. I also care about my animals and these people do as well.

 

[jay24k]

Sharks don't swim that near the shore and if they do it is very rare. I wouldn't personally have my dog in a boat but I don't have any anymore. They recently died and were about 19 years old (2 chows). However, it is kind of neat that the dog did it. I think that is what the whole post was about. It's like the cat who takes a dump in the toilet and flushes it. I think that is pretty stupid for a cat to do but in another way pretty unique. The same goes with this.

 

[bluerug]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10236994#post10236994 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by triggerfish1976
This is staged IMOP. Animals lovers don't dangle a dead shark, and then let their "beloved" dog jump in and then do nothing to make sure the dog didn't get bit or snagged by the hook in the sharks mouth but oh wait, they knew the shark was dead and how the dog was going to react and it wouldn't get bit. There is also no yelling or distressed screaming, just the sound of waves crashing. The camera also stayed locked on the action and everything stays in focus. If my child jumped in the water to play with a desperate shark I wouldn't just stand there with a video camera and tape it in hopes that something funny might happen shock or not. If they love their dog more than their kids than I hope nothing bad ever happens to their kids while they are present.

Would you like to speak to these lovely people yourself? And get the story from them instead of me being the middle man. And i find it very rude that your talking bad about their parenting skills now, thats now just crossed over the line for me.

 

[InLimbo87]

Regardless, near death means that the shark was still alive. One bite from that shark could mean easy death for that dog.

 

[bluerug]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10236994#post10236994 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by triggerfish1976
This is staged IMOP. Animals lovers don't dangle a dead shark, and then let their "beloved" dog jump in and then do nothing to make sure the dog didn't get bit or snagged by the hook in the sharks mouth but oh wait, they knew the shark was dead and how the dog was going to react and it wouldn't get bit. There is also no yelling or distressed screaming, just the sound of waves crashing. The camera also stayed locked on the action and everything stays in focus. If my child jumped in the water to play with a desperate shark I wouldn't just stand there with a video camera and tape it in hopes that something funny might happen shock or not. If they love their dog more than their kids than I hope nothing bad ever happens to their kids while they are present.

Double.

 

[bluerug]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10237065#post10237065 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by bluecarpet
Nothing in the wild is staged, just ask Steve Irwin that, that man devoted his life to animals and what a great man he was at that.