long post- uniform bleaching problem

mia1974

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Hi everyone,

This is a long post... I am sorry about that, but I want to be very detailed so you guys can get as much info as possible

I am at a loss as to what is happening with my clams. Here are the details:

I had 30 clams in my 360g mixed reeftank. Some I have had for 2 years. I had 15 maximas, 1 squamosa and 14 croceas...as of today I have lost 3 croceas in the past month and a half. There are 2 more that look to be on there way out-all croceas.

Observations:

2 large croceas begin to look faded about 5 weeks ago...not brown, but a uniform bleaching of the mantle...I can see at times zooxanthellae strands leaving the clam. As well, 3 smaller croceas are showing the bleaching. One of the smaller crocea died about 3.5 weeks ago, the largest crocea died a week ago (it looked pitiful for weeks) and now my second largest crocea will probably not make it through the night. As well, the 2 other small croceas look terrible. the first large crocea to die was located up on the rockwork about 11 inches directly under the MH

I have to admit that with the smaller croceas that bleached there may have been some mantle shading because the clams were so close together... but the larger ones were in the highest lighting possible

Once the clams start to bleach it takes about 1-2 weeks for a noticeable reduction in mantle extension. The clam almost appears to get a sunken in look to it and the mantle conforms to the shape tof the shell (instead of how "fluffy" they usually look).

I have speculated as to whether or not this is the infamous clam disease...I have dealt with this in the past...the symptoms are not the same (pinching)...and I did not encounter bleaching when I dealth with the "disease", besides maximas appeared to be more prone to it.
None of my maximas have shown any symptoms. My huge squamosa is doing great as well. I have noticed a slight reduction in growth all the way around...but most clams are still growing nicely.

All clams until about 6 weeks ago showed great growth rates and excellent color.

Here are some details about the system:

360g
96" long * 24" top to bottom * 36" front to back
4 * 400watt radiums on HQI and 2 * 250 watt DE 20K (photoperiod of 8 hours)-I am increasing this...but this has always worked in the past...bulbs are 5 months old
ETSS 2500 gemini
2 calcium reactors

Mixed sps, clam, lps, few soft

Fish:
2 tangs, 6 anthias, 8 clowns, 4 wrasses, 3 damsels, 4 chromis fed once every 2 days

Clams are found on the sandbed and some on the rockwork. I place them so they are right under the reflector


Parameters:

Ca: 400ppm
Alk: 9 dkH
Temp: 79
Sal: 1.025
Phosphates: undetectable
Nitrates: 0-0.2 ppm, mostly at zero though...could just be my own errors in testing

In an effort to trace the etiology of the problems I have written out a list of things that have changed in the past 2 months:

1. gradual removal of dsb (it has cemented up and although water tests for phosphate and nitrate read zero, there must be some organic phosphate stored up in the bed)....from 4-5 " to 2" I am running ROWAPHOS to collect any possible phosphate liberation while disturbing the sand bed....in terms of clams, doing this doesn't concern me as I will assume that my acros would show signs of dscomfort much quicker than the clams would..and all my acros are fine, in fact they look better than they have in the past 8 months

2. more frequent water changes -while siphoning the DSB...about 10% twice a week for 2 months

3. skimmer running more efficiently...the bioballs were blocked with carbon and there was a decreased amount of foam production about 3 months ago

4. I have always used an acrylic shield over my reflectors. However, we changed the extruded material for cast as it was bowing from the heat. The old reflectors had quite a bit of salt creep...this was done a month or so ago...my reflectors are similar to the lumenarc ones....my hubby swears that the light transmission rates on the shields I use now are rated at 92% and he even forwarded me links to prove it...could the links be wrong? I have seen zero color loss on my acros.



A nutrient deficiency has occurred to me, and a few other people I have asked think that this might be the problem...but how the heck could I have cyano and some hair on my rocks but have a nutirent deficiency? It is also said that the algae consumes the nutrients before it even gets a chance to get into the water column, and that cyano can also fixate nitrogen from the air...

I have never fed my clams. The last new clam was added about 4 months ago...it looks fine

Could this be a lack of light or improper spectrum? I really am stumped with this explanation as that doesn't explain how my clams have done so well up until now and I have always used radiums for the past year

Does anyone have any input that they could offer? I am really sad to see clams that I have had for so long in a state such as this

Thank-you for taking the time to read this ,
J
 
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I have not been adding anything until this past week... I have recently started adding Magnesium as it was reading very low when I tested it
 
What i find odd is it's only affecting your crocea's. I think if it was a disease of some kind it would likely affect all your clams, not specifically crocea's.

Scott
 
I encountered the same problem in my friend's tank.
New Corceas were bleaching slowly.
I thought the reason was over dose of strontium and/or iodine.
Also my friend had other clams that did not get affected.
Since Mia is not using strontium or iodine, so I dont know.
 
Did all the new croceas die? Did the other exisitng croceas in the system do OK? Was he testing for I or Sr?

I have had these croceas for almost a year in some of the cases, they are not new additons.

I have tested my Sr...I found it difficult to get a reading, but it appeared to be on the low end of things

I have not tested I ...I will do this in the next 2 days.

I have had 3 people who have kept clams for a long time tell me they think it might be a nitrigen deficiency despite the presence of cynao/hair on the rocks/sandbed (as these are primarily fueled by phosphate). I am kinda leaning towards this explanation as well becasue nothing else really makes sense :(
 
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I just tested some distilled water with my test kit and it reads the same as I was getting for my tank...so this means I am at zero nitrates ...
 
I now use Tropic Marin....I tried Crystalseas last year and the effects weren't good on some sps and softies...I have done many many water changes since then so I know it is out of my system...
 
Hi
Sorry for not replying, I didnt have acess to a puter.
So you think it's due to no nitrates at all?
In the case I witnessed and followed, there was nitrate and phosphates in the low levels.
And yes the corceas bleached and died slowly while the rest were OK, including newly introduced clams from other species.
 
Vili_shark:

Can you please tell me all you can about your friends tank?

When did this start happening (when did the first one bleach?)? Did all the clams bleach at once or was there a gradual "spred" from clam to clam?

Does he have any croceas left at all?

Which croceas started to bleach first (and how long were they in the tank for?) ...were any of the established croceas affected?

What type of lighting is your friend running and what is his photoperiod?


What are his parameters at : Ca, Alk, etc..


Whatever is going on with your friend sounds like what is happening to me! I have no idea of what to think! All my maximas and my one aquamosa are fine........I am not thinking it is nurtrients now, I have so much algae in my tank I don't see how it could be :(

I started to think that maybe they weren't appreciating the radiums...

It is very difficult to believe that this is some sort of disease...the last crocea I added was in November and a friend of mine added some from that order and all of his are fine ??

Any more info you might have would be very much apprciated :)
Take care,
J
 
Also: right before the croceas died what did they look like?

My sps are doing excellent and so are my lps...aside from the clams and hair algae on some of the rocks the tank looks great...

I read that your friend had elevated Po4 levels in his tank...the only connection I can make is that I have been siphoning out my sandbed and perhaps I released a pocket of Po4 which in turn irritated the more sensitive crocea clams...I was using ROWAPHOS as a precaution while removing the sandbed though...none of my acros look upset though, and I thought that they would be more sensitive to this...
 
Hi J
My friend's tank is a reef with clams plus some acros and some LPS, new introduced croceas started a slow bleach, usually it would take a clam few weeks to die, over this period it would react to motion, keep the pattern, just fade away slowly.

2X250W MH with 2XT5 blues
Water parameters I can not really recall, but it was quite normal besides the phosphates which we took down with no positive reaction from the croceas.

Croceas did not get it all at once , but all died within about two months.
He introduced new clams after he took the phosphate down, which died too.

I have pics of those croceas befoe they died which i e-mailed to some ppl, if u want i can e-mail'em to ya.

Sorry that I cant help, I also dont know what went wrong in his tank, til today all is fine besides the croceas.
 
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