Looking for local zoa frags (Bethel Park)

jverbosk

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Hi, new to this forum, so please forgive me if I'm breaking any protocols by posting this. :hmm2:

I have a 20 gallon that has been setup for about 5 - 6 months and I wanted to see if anyone local might be doing zoa frags. I currently have 1 loose polyp (not sure of the type, it has a green center and purple arms/stalk) that I was gifted with from a LFS and it has been happy for the past couple of weeks it's been in the tank. No growth (not surprising considering I only a a 15-watt florescent bulb right now - soon to be replaced), but I have it at the top of the tank and it always opens right up when I turn the lights on, and its colors are nice (at least under the 15-watt actinic bulb I swap in periodically).

I'm not looking for any huge frags, just a 2 or 3 polyps from a few different varieties (hopefully hardy & attractive varities - doesn't have to be rare). I'm very patient and am willing to start small and let them spread on their own over the years. I just don't have a ton of money (hence the converted 20 gallon), shipping costs for nice small frags are brutal, and the LFS' zoas are pretty expensive as well (and don't seem to be as attractive as private collectors' zoas either).

Anyways, if anyone might be able to help me out, that would be great. I'd be willing to pay similar prices as frag packs on some of the sites (i.e. zoamania, mr coral, Master Mind's frag packs on Reef411, etc), but obviously less would be great (of course).

Thanks very much for your time and help! :thumbsup:

John

If anyone is curious, this new tank is setup with about 10 lbs live rock, 20 lbs dead rock (gradually becoming "live") a deep sand bed (mixed up sand, crushed aragonite gravel, garf grunge, some donations from a few other tanks) and I will be replacing my current ZooMed Reef Sun 50/50 lamp (15 watts) with T5 lights (1 - 20k, 1 - actinic) for the zoas (very good price from FishNeedIt.com - should be here in a few days). It's doing well with a rapidly growing clump of chaeto macro (despite the current lights), decent coraline growth on the dead rock, about 10 hermits (3 types), about 12 small snails (nassarius, nerite, tegula - kinds that can flip themselves back over if they fall), strombus grazers - tiny white snails that come out at night in groups (pulled from my other salterwater tank), lots and lots of pods (small, medium & large), several types of mini-brittle stars, some asterina stars, several types of worms, and 1 zoa polyp. No fish yet, but will probably add a firefish sooner or later (after I get a screen made for the top to keep it in the tank). Ran tests (pH, Alk, ammonia, nitrites, nitrates) on the water before the last water change and everything looked very good.

As for a skimmer, I used one on my other 20 gallon (FO w/LR & Inverts) but it didn't really pick up much after then initial cycle as I do a 25 - 35% water change every week (religiously), so I yanked it (after 2 years, the powerhead wasn't working very well) with no ill effects for any of the inhabitants. These days I just run an air pump hose in between one of the rocks in the back (for more O2 and water movement), and use Hagen Aquaclear filters on all of my tanks (use a size 2-3x the rated tank size) with 3 foam filter inserts, squeezing the filter inserts out in the old tank water during the weekly water change (to preserve the bacteria in the inserts). Doing this has been very economical and all of my fish and inverts look good (I haven't lost a single fish to disease in 10+ years). Also, the Hagen filters come apart very nicely and are very easy to clean. Cheap solution (I know), but it has worked very, very well, even in my saltwater tanks.

If I find that the new zoas don't seem to be happy, I'll try setting up the skimmer on the new 20 gallon tank, but my current zoa polyp seems to be pretty content so far.

Any other questions about tank parameters/setup, please let me know. Also, sorry for the low quality picture, my camera is pretty old.
 

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I have a bunch of zoa/palys I can set you up with for a real good price. I have a tone of stuff I culture myself. I live in Indiana, PA though and don't know if that's too far for you. Let me know.

Brett
 
Brett,

I looked at your profile (very impressive) and your coral album on this site, and your corals are outstanding. I really appreciate your offer to have me come and see your zoas/palys and will definitely take you up on it if nothing closer to me works out. I've just had someone else who lives a few minutes away offer to let me see what he has, so I'm going to take him up on that offer first, considering that you are almost two hours away from me. I'll definitely let you know how things go and may end up visiting regardless, if time permits.

By the way, do you have any pictures or a list of your zoas/palys? I'm more interested in the zoas as I understand they don't absolutely require spot feeding (beneficial, but not as necessary as for the palys), but am completely open to suggestions and recommendations. Very open minded here, just looking for something that will do well in my setup without too much infighting.

Thanks very much!

John
 
Brett,

That would be outstanding. I'll be happy to make the drive if everything looks good. Would you be available tomorrow? Is there anything I should bring (aside from the cooler bag I always carry livestock in and my bucket or tub)?

Thanks again for your help!

John
 
Brett,

I was doing some research on my lone "zoa" and it turns out that it's actually a paly. Here's a few pics - one for reference and two of mine (albeit the stalk on mine is longer, maybe because it's solo?).

I spot fed it a mysis shrimp and it gobbled it right up, and is now opened up again. So I guess that means I have no reservations about palys now, considering I already have one. :lmao:

Just thought that was interesting and I suppose it's time to do more research on palys. :thumbsup:

John
 

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Hi John,

Welcome to the forum. What you have there is called a Green Button Polyp. It's a very hardy coral and a great starter piece.

I have over 60 varieties of Zoas and Palys, and I am just down the road from you in Castle Shannon. You are welcome to stop by sometime and see if there is anything you like. Most of what I have are the high end, higher priced polyps, but I have a few that are $3-$5 per polyp.

I am in the process of setting up my frag tank again, and I will be making some frags for a few of the other guys as well.

Give me a shout if you are interested.
 
Brett,

Thanks again for having me out yesterday. I really appreciate all of the advice you gave, for helping me select appropriate specimens, and for such a reasonable price on everything (including the gifted specimens - although honestly, I know you gifted pretty much everything to me and am truly grateful). You have an absolutely amazing setup with your display tanks and grow tanks, and I am extremely humbled that you had me in your home and took so much of your time to show everything to me. I wish you continued success and will let you know when I am ready for any additions, if you don't mind.

I took my time acclimating everything (~1/2 hour for temperature, ~2 hours for drip) and at this point almost everything has already opened up in both tanks. I used polyester thread and my "saltwater utility chopsticks" to help hold the eggcrate in place, and used aluminum foil (rinsed in tank water) to craft a few holders for the specimens without plugs, so hopefully everything will stay in place until my T5 lights come and I can glue things in place (once I determine where they like to be). Hopefully the aluminum foil isn't a bad idea, but if it is and you have a better suggestion, please let me know.

All of the zoas, palys, mushrooms and candy/trumpet coral are looking great at this point. Almost every polyp has opened and I saw a few of the palys grab pieces of shrimp pellet that drifted up after I fed my crabs and snails (conchs). In particular, the Nuclear Green and Pink zoas opened immediately, actually while I was acclimating them in the bags. I look forward to seeing everything grow and appreciate such great specimens.

I gave strong consideration to what you said about the Xenia spreading and what a pain it can be to remove, so decided to put it in my FO/LR tank (which is a misnomer at this point...) along with the Green Star Polyps. Since I just have a 15watt 50/50 florescent bulb in there, I would imagine they wouldn't go too crazy, but it's not a problem in that tank if they do as I'm not planning on putting any other corals in that tank (it was my "learner" tank and I'm just maintaining it at this point, so anything novel would be nice). The Xenia appear to be happy at this point and were pretty busy grabbing flakes when I fed my fish tonight. A couple of the Green Star Polyps had opened earlier, but I had to move the rock around several times to get a secure placement so I'm sure that's why they're closed at the moment. I still need to pick up some super glue (gel) to secure them, but I want to make sure they are in good places before doing so.

I'm attaching some pictures of both tanks - please forgive the dreadful quality, but I think enough came through to show how well everything is doing at this point (particularly in the zoa/mushroom/trumpet tank). I hope to take better pictures after my wife comes back with the better camera and by that time should have everything in place and acclimated under the T5 lighting.

Thank you yet again and hope you have a good one! :)

John
 

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Just a quick note to everyone who has replied so far (raynist, brettnleslie, the2ofus, Stray32) - thank you all so much for your help and offers on the zoa frags (and beyond). I had no idea that there was such a wealth of experts in the area and I truly appreciate everyone taking their time to help me out. I'm definitely glad I found this forum. The LFSs have been nice to visit, but all of your collections make them pale in comparison. :)

John
 
John:

Glad to help out and thanks for the kind words. Yes, you should come to the meetings. I have only been to one so far but enjoyed it and enjoyed meeting everyone.

I would not do the aluminum foil. Not sure how it will affect your water chemistry, etc. Try mounting them to small rocks which you then can move around until you are happy with their location.

Brett
 
Ray and Brett,

I took your advice and yanked the aluminum foil from the tank to be on the safe side. I used a few more chopsticks and a rock to hold the non-plug frags in place a little better so I don't have to worry about the crabs or snails knocking them off of the rack. I'll try to take pictures later once everything has opened back up. One very cool thing about chopsticks (the cheap disposable kind, at least) is that they float so no worries about them disappearing into the tank (of course I'm not running an overflow system, so they may not be so handy there).

I do plan on mounting them to rocks once my T5 lights arrive (Thursday), but until then I want to try to keep everything directly under and as close to the 15watt 50/50 florescent bulb as possible so everything doesn't starve until then - thanks again for the eggcrate, Brett, as this has allowed me to do just that. And also so they aren't absolutely shocked going from almost no light (if I placed them lower in the tank in indirect light from such a weak bulb) to T5 lighting. I understand these specimens are "hardy", but I want to do as much as I can to sustain them until I can get suitable lights on the tank.

Thanks for the meeting invites, I'll see if might be able to make out to one sometime. Typically I don't have much free time, but my wife and 2 year old son are currently visiting her family in Japan (her parents fly them over, bless their hearts) so I don't have the family obligations at the moment. Hopefully the timing will work out so I can make it out sometime. Until then, I'm trying to get as much accomplished before their return next week and I truly appreciate everyone's help with doing that.

John
 
John you are welcome to stop by any night this week through Wednesday, as I am leaving town on Thursday for the weekend. Give me a shout and let me know if you want to come by.
 
Update on tanks and corals

Update on tanks and corals

Hi everyone! :)

Just a two week update - just about everything Brett gave me is doing very well in both of my tanks. I heeded his advice and put all of the potential "grows like a weed" corals in my first tank with the lower lights, deciding to use the newer tank for the "pretty" non-invasive corals. Unfortunately, I found out too late that the bulb on the first tank was long past its useful lifespan (which explains why my coralline growth had been receding in that tank) and my T5 lights didn't come in until last Friday (at which point I switched over the newer 50/50 florescent bulb to the first tank), so the pink xenia just shriveled away. After some inspiration from seeing everyone else's reef tanks, I rearranged both tanks a bit and got the silver xenias closer to the lights in the first tank, and I just noticed today that there are some small polyps growing where I peeled off the pink xenia from the lower side of the rock, so it may come back after all (as Brett had said it sometimes does).

Other than that, everything is growing very well. In the first tank, there are baby polyps on all of the palys and gsp's, the silver xenia is doing well and the little red mushroom frags seem to be (gradually) growing (despite the 15-watt florescent light). In the second tank, everything is growing very well. The nuclear green xoas have gone from 2 polyps to 4 polyps and the ones that were there when I received it are much bigger now. The pink palys have gone from 10 polyps to 13 polyps and are also increasing in size/height. The green mushrooms almost have the frag plug covered and seem very happy in the slightly shaded place they are in. And the neon green candy cane is eating like a pig every time I spot feed (with mysis and coral frenzy). I also received a couple of early birthday presents from my parents in the way of a replacement powerhead for my skimmer and a nano pump in the second tank, so everything seems to be pretty happy at this point in regards to water quality, lighting and flow. I've done a few water changes in both tanks (another one today) and so far everything has held, so I'm pretty pleased. Obviously, time will tell, but I feel more confident that I'm at least headed in the right direction with things and should be fine with adding other zoa frags to the new tank.

I'm including pictures of everything, including a non-coral pic I snapped of my (female) yellow watchman goby getting her mouth inspected by one of the cleaner shrimp today - just thought it was a fun picture.

Thanks again to Brett for all of the corals I've gotten to play with over the past two weeks (I've learned a lot) and to Jared, Ray and Matt for working on frags for the new tank. I think it will be in good shape for the frags when they are ready. No rush, I really appreciate everyone's help and advice with getting things setup and running smoothly.

John
 

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Update on tanks and corals (p2)

More pics.
 

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Update on tanks and corals (p3)

More pics of first tank.
 

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Hey Jarod,
You were suppose to make me some frags of your colorful zoas. I need to make it down that way. I have been working the Johnstown area for a couple months but will be working the pittsburgh area here in about a month.

What do you have that is colorful?

Oh by the way, do you have any advise, I have lost the purple color on the those jokers and also on my purple hornets, my blue tubbs still look great and so do the orange ones. I cannot figure out why I lost that purple color and also have lost some dark brown color on some of my green zoas on their skirts.
 
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