Lost a bunch, need to gameplan treatment for survivors.

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300g Had like 11 fish. Suffered an outbreak of Ick but now thinking brook/velvet with maybe still a side order of ick. Symptoms seemed to fit more than one disease.

Basically everyone got white haze to their skin, but some of the others it was more the small white spots. Even clowns had it. Later the tang who had seemed to get over it and in hospital with everyone else re-broke out instead looked like kinda dark welts or places skin was kinda flaking up.

I had started TTM, but after day 4-5 with not much sign of improvement and already losing 2-3 fish, I decided to try Ick-x since it was some formulin (couldnt find pure formulin) and had malachite blue or green. Didn't help that I was having to do >50% water changes every 12 hours basically due to ammonia.

After day 1 seemed like maybe symptoms slowed but coming home on day 2 I had 4-5 dead fish. At that point I threw my hands up as this certainly wasn't working for them and put the survivors back in the display to hope they fight it off on their own.

It seems to have worked. H. Tusk spent several days just laying on the sand refusing to swim, horrible color, fins being eaten by pods. Tried force feeding and later it finally ate a couple peices of mysis and gradually improved.




He looks pretty good now, some residual blemish from sloughed skin on forehead, some fins still regrowing out. The other survivors a mono argentus, foxface, leopard wrasse, zebra bar goby.


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Now that I dont know for sure what they had. I imagine I need to run the tank fallow for 2 months or so. (Recatch will be fun.) The tusk still shows some signs of itching (jerking head or rapidly spinning a fin)

Aside from running fallow, since I'll have the time for a well established hospital tank, I'm not sure what to do. Now that I have few fish, try TTM all over. Run hypo?

Order Chloroquine Phosphate? Except I saw some saying dont use with wrasse (tusk/leopard, but I dont have flasher/fairy like some seemed to point as the senstive ones)

What to do?
 
If it's velvet you need to treat with Chloroquine Phosphate. Ick-Shield Powder is the easiest to get (Amazon).

Some pictures of the sick fish may help to identify what your fish actually have.
 
Think I said, it's been a while, all the fish back in the display are looking fine with the exception of some minor signs of itching from the tusk. I have dead fish pics but as others say in other threads not all that helpful.

They looked like a combo of everything I've seen online. Some small white spots, but also kinda of a hazy grey film a lot got. The film on the tang had turned kinda dark and was patchy like it or the slime coat was kinda sloughing off. Day I came home to it dead had kinda sores/lesion on the bottom half.

Tusk had like I said lost a ton of color and also this big film.

Thing was some fish were symptomatic at least a week. SO velvet/brook I thought was a symptom > dead in 72hr or less usually. That the tusk recovered seems miraculous.




The C. Phosphate I was leaning towards, but the threads I found on it warned against use with wrasses
 
yeah.. I don't think I'd use any kind of chemical treatment on the leopard wrasse, (not copper either) just TTM.. if it's velvet it wont help.. but it could have just been a rough strain of ich. you could treat all others with CP though.

So.. I was reading up on the velvet life cycle.. Is it possible TTM will be effective in ensuring it doesn't carry velvet? (It is too slow for a treatment option generally, once they show signs either freshwater/formulin dip and/or CP) ... what I read is they'll be on the fish from 12-96 hours, and hatch 48+ hours(up to many days). It seems if it were otherwise healthy in appearance, it should survive TTM and come out without velvet/ich...


Let me know if any of that is wrong.. I was just speculating based on a single source... edit:I see, they can attach to the fish, never dislodging.. that's why TTM doesn't work.
 
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maybe give the wrasse Methylene Blue dip and the rest CP treatment?

http://reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2388424

I read that fresh water dips doesn't work 100% on velvet, but with Methylene Blue it must... (Now i read others say only formalin bath will work) I dunno. I have no experience with treating velvet so maybe I'll leave this discussion to those with experience.
 
Just not the leopard, or what about the tusk (wrasse)?

It is strange, I don't think I ever saw the ornate leopard at any point looking symptomatic. He also tolerated the ick out just fine and everything else.
 
I've had a leopard wrasse, never had to treat it with anything, so my info on sensitivity to medication is purely from other people on the internet.. and I've never kept a tusk wrasse.


From what I read about tusk wrasse is that they are hardy for a wrasse, and can withstand cupramine treatment, I expect they might be one of the wrasses that don't have a problem with CP either... but i don't know.. dmorty treated a tusk with CP but his died due to ammonia spike (along with other fish)..

I guess the leopard wrasse burrowing must keep it pretty safe? :D
 
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