Loud Music & Reefs

ThomasinKind

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I'm not sure if this is the appropriate forum for this question... Sorry in advance if someone has to move it.

I'm a dj and I play fairly loud music on an almost daily basis. My question is fairly obvious. Will this be harmful to a tank's inhabitants? I'm not currently running a tank but I'd like to start one in the near future. The tank won't be set up near my speakers but you can hear my music in almost every room.

I've noticed that when people bang on tanks that things like featherdusters and other such creatures tend to close up. I also know that many wave-makers (and other equipment) are pretty loud. So, maybe it's not a big deal???

Thoughts/comments/suggestions appreciated.
 
That's an excellent question ThomasinKind, I would think at the very least the inhabitants would be responsive to the vibration.
The sound wave itself is absorbed into the water and the end result would be small waves like on the surface of a glass of wine when struck with say a spoon.
I'll take this even further, as far as the waves - throw in frequencies of waves. I used to have two Oscars a long time ago that used to fight a least once a day, it was really something to see. While they were fighting, I would point my remote control for TV at them and just keep pressing the button- I swear that they responded to it, because they stopped fighting every time! But then again, it could have been a coincidence.....TinMan
 
I actually have my tank beside my jam room where my band practices. As far as I know it doesn't seem to stress the inhabitants out. However, I'd like to see more responses to this thread.
 
Re: Loud Music & Reefs

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9510785#post9510785 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by ThomasinKind
I'm not sure if this is the appropriate forum for this question... Sorry in advance if someone has to move it.
I think that's an excellent question and this seems like the appropriate forum to discuss it. Thanks for bringing it up!

I'm sure we are all familiar with the damage done to marine mammals by certain intense forms of sonar. And the literature is full of reports of fish dying from the effects of damn building and pile driving operations. Those are extreme examples but they do show that loud noise can have adverse effects on marine life. Heck, loud noise has an adverse effect on me, too. The older you get, the more sensitive you become to loud noise. At least I do.

Caltrans (California Department of Transportation) did some studies in San Francisco Bay in 2001 in preparation for the building of the new replacement span between Yerba Buena island and Oakland. They're spending upwards of $6 billion to replace that part of the bridge between Oakland and San Francisco across San Francisco Bay. You may remember that a section of it fell during the 1989 Loma Prieta earthquake.

Caltrans conducted pile driving experiments and collected the dead fish that rose to the surface. Some were bleeding and others had suffered swim bladder damage. Then Caltrans expanded their experiments to include fish held in cages at different distances from the pile driving source.

Results indicate that there was mortality caused by exposure to pile driving sounds, with dead fish of several different species found to at least 50 meters from the pile being driven. They also observed an increase in catch by over flying gulls during pile driving, further indicating fish mortality.

Public aquaria around the world are aware of the effects of knocking on the front glass of their displays and all of them take preventive measures, such as public warning signs, to reduce this disturbance. The effects of knocking on the glass seem to be limited to disturbance of the aquatic animals and perhaps an increase in stress levels.

I think those examples -- pile driving and knocking on aquarium glass -- probably represent the extremes of the problem. The question then becomes one of assessing the degrees of harm that might result from anything in between those extremes. I suspect that loud music in close proximity to an aquarium is something that we should avoid.

The last time I visited the Monterey Bay Aquarium, they were displaying their captured great white shark (the first one, the female) and there were signs all over the place asking that visitors please refrain from using flash photography, yet flashes were going off every ten or fifteen seconds even while the aquarium employee was talking. The aquarium notices warned that the great white shark in particular was sensitive to light flashes. Every time the great white came around to the front of the display, flashes would go off and you could see the shark flinch. Finally the flashes stopped after the aquarium employee repeated the warning at least twice during the presentation.
 
It's the bass that might affect some inhabitants.. I feel like corals won't be negatively affected, but I wonder about the fish.


Fish do have "ears", but they are very different from ours. So i'm not sure if the pressures generated by sound waves would harm/annoy the fish.


I have a reef tank on my desk. Lots of speakers around and a pretty big sub under the desk....... Everything is living, the fish aren't scared, but who knows, maybe the wish the music would stop.
 
They don't have ears but they have a lateral line going down both sides of their body that senses very small vibrations in the water. That's why tapping on the glass is said to harm the fish... but I doubt bass would cause enough resonation to harm the fish. They may respond, but it's tough to say if it's harming them or not.
 
I second the lateral line comment, good call, I am pretty sure that I saw or read somewhere that sharks can sense the flapping of a dying fish from great distances > 1 mile and logic would seem to dictate that even talking in a room might have an effect on fish, at least sharks anyways. As a rule of thumb though I dont have loud noises around my tank, if I want to listen to music loud I wear headphones
 
I would imagine that the most important thing to consider is the type of music. Electronica, country, pop, and rap music show definite adverse effects on my tank inhabintants. Some good blues and jazz seems to cause all of my corals to open up more fully :)

On a more serious note, if you haven't noticed a problem then its probably ok. The pumps located inside the tank, skimmer, sump, etc. . . are most likely louder to the fish than any music coming from the outside.

But maybe I should hook up my 1000W bass amp to my 18" subwoofer and jam out on some Primus to see what happens.
 
I remember my dad telling me that if I wanted to get Discus I had to stop playing music in my room because it would disturb them to the point of death.(Yeah...ok) My reef is right next to my pc desk which has 3 speakers and a subwoofer underneath. I actually notice my fish coming towards the desk when i turn the subwoofer up.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9707394#post9707394 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by machinas
I actually notice my fish coming towards the desk when i turn the subwoofer up.
Yeah, but what are they trying to tell you?

:D
 
it's funny, I have a 1000w HT, and I was looking at my flame angel freak out everytime I turned my music past 50%. I have a Klipsch tower that is less than two feet from my tank. My fish came to that side of the tank, when I turned it up to say "what the F***". I don't think it was hurting it tho.

I have killed bluegills with m-80's and guys down south shoot big guns like 458 Win Mag's and kill big fish by just missing them.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9510953#post9510953 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by LU359TINMAN
I'll take this even further, as far as the waves - throw in frequencies of waves. I used to have two Oscars a long time ago that used to fight a least once a day, it was really something to see. While they were fighting, I would point my remote control for TV at them and just keep pressing the button- I swear that they responded to it, because they stopped fighting every time! But then again, it could have been a coincidence.....TinMan

So what do you folks think about this? I've always wondered about it. TinMan
 
well, glad to hear you are a dj, i bump trance inside my room half the day, and i have a reef tank. my fish and coral seem to be fine with it. But another side of the story, a lfs i used to work at, on sundays there would be car meets near the shop, and people put on the music real loud, by the next day a few fish would have hopped out of the tank. So i really have no clue it would be a 50/50 maybe depending on how loud it is and everything else.
 
I've always been worried about having my treadmill close to my fish tank. I'm a runner and my floorboards aren't that great; though they are reinforced under the tank. I've always been worried that the vibration will harm them.
But both of my fish (clown & firefish) seem to like it. They come up to the glass and watch me. Their behavior is almost like when its feeding time-only less desperate. They've never jumped even though it is an open top tank.
 
joedirt54! when i was a kid, about 38 years ago we used blasting caps under ledges on the river. talk about some fish floating to the top! we had to net them fast before they regained conciousness and swam away. so, yeah i would say loud noise does effect them, but we never had any dead ones. they would flop on the shore after a few minutes of total stillness.
fish use their dorsel fins for ballance, correct? if humans burst an eardrum it most definatly effects their equilibrium. i would imagine the blasting caps did something of that nature to them as well as knocking them out cold for about 5 minutes. cause they (one's we didnt want) always swam away kinda sideways, and some zig-zag for a second before swimming off at full speed.
by the way, at that time there was no law against it, you could buy blasting caps if you could put your $ on the counter. and we ate most of what we kept and the rest was given to friends, or we would clean about 150 lbs of catfish and bass and have a fish fry in a 3 ft. dia X 1.5 ft. deep, cast iron boiler, over a manually dug fire pit :lol: after church about once or twice a month. :rollface: (weather depending)
"thats all i got to say about that"!
y'all have a great night!!!
JDM...:cool:
 
BTW!!! i do feel it was cruel now, but back then it was a way of eating good, along with vegtables cut right off the vine, or dug up, and and my grandmothers homemade, hand churned butter from the cows we milked at 5:00 A.M. every dang morning.
i hated milking at 5:00 A.M. then, but i miss it now. :( along with alot of things i cant do now, due to working in a concrete and metal building up to 72 hrs a week, just to have a house and a better way of life.
OH!!! and a reef tank :lol: sorry, got lost there for a second. y'all have a great night!
JDM...:cool:
 
I don't think may people are playing music at the kind of levels that would generate the kind of concussion needed to harm the inhabitants of their aquarium. Now the sudden hammering of some bass could certainly put them under some stress and even move some rocks around if you just piled them up.

I think the key is to avoid and sudden noise and or changes in light. In my experience with fish, it is not the sudden noise or light or jarring that harms them but the damage they do when the flee and run into something.

As long as the sound/vibration is fairly constant and not extremely intense, I would think you would be okay.
 
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