Low GPH, High Head Pressure Pump

RubberFrog

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I would like to use a pump in my basement to move my top off and salt water upstairs to my tank. Storing my water upstairs is not an option and the tank is on the opposite end of the house from the stairs.

I am comfortable and familiar with both plumbing and electricity. So no issues there.

I am looking for an external pump that can handle an 8-10 foot head pressure while maintaining a reasonable flow rate. 100 GPH would be more than adequate as I wouldn't want topoff or change water flowing into the tank too fast. If necessary, I can throttle the flow with a ball valve.

Any recommendations?
 
I would like to use a pump in my basement to move my top off and salt water upstairs to my tank. Storing my water upstairs is not an option and the tank is on the opposite end of the house from the stairs.

I am comfortable and familiar with both plumbing and electricity. So no issues there.

I am looking for an external pump that can handle an 8-10 foot head pressure while maintaining a reasonable flow rate. 100 GPH would be more than adequate as I wouldn't want topoff or change water flowing into the tank too fast. If necessary, I can throttle the flow with a ball valve.

Any recommendations?
MAG 18 will do that and more. Its internal though, but cheap relatively speaking. I am actually setting up all my filtration in the basement, about 13' of head and 25' of horizontal distance to DT. Just tested the MAG last night and I am getting 430 GPH through all the plumbing (1") and then reduction to 3/4" for about 1.5' and a 3/4" LocLine Y w/two outlet nozzles. It's a 140W pump and you can get it for $130 @ ThatFish Place, although they have it market as out of stock. I bought it from them two weeks ago for $117. I guess their sale changed for the worse ;). It's still a great deal, normally its about 160 or more.

Spacey :)
 
Thanks for that info. I shop there all the time and they have great sales. They're about two hours from me, so once a month I make a big trip.

I'm glad to hear the mag18 can handle the head pressure.
 
There are other options, such as the common external pumps like:

- Iwaki
- Little Giant
- Pan World / Blue Line

All these brands offer pumps that will complete the head pressure and give you the flow you need.

ReeFlo also offers high-pressure pumps but they are typically used in applications where large amounts of flow are required, which does not seem to be the case with you.
 
I am also considering this pump- http://www.bulkreefsupply.com/store/panworld-40px-external-water-pump-480gph.html It has a 13.5 foot max head pressure (which gets me where I need to go. Of course if it flows zero GPH at 13.5 than it's not much use to me. I like the idea of not having to move the pump from salt to RODI as needed. Flopping the end of a hose in sounds easier.
I don't think this is going to cut it. Here's the performance chart w/head v.s. flow curve... http://www.panworldamericas.com/PX/50Hz/A3400319.pdf.

Also... for what you want I think an internal pump, if one with right parameters exists ;), would work much better ... unless I am misunderstanding. External pumps are good for being set up in one spot and running 24/7 - as return pumps. Not really for on/off every once in a while from this container or lets move it over there to another container. You gotta keep them dry remember which makes it painful to switch between containers. Unless you set up some elaborate plumbing system so the pump and pipes stay put and you just switch flow w/bunch of ball valves or something.

I've been looking for a pump like this for the past several months and have been swaying between external and submersible return pump setup, both of which have ups and downs. Initially I set out w/the idea that I will just run the plumbing to the basement (from 1st floor DT I am building) and use it for water changes and top-off replenishment at first, but w/an option of moving the entire filtration setup down there at some point in the future. But... then I changed my mind and decided that since I am already running the plumbing I might as well just move the sump down to the basement and do it right to begin with. The difference is that w/the sump in the basement you have to run a much stronger pump, around 140 to 180w to get required flow at that head pressure. W/sump in the stand a 45 to 80w pump is enough. That's basically a difference of $15/month in electricity. But the convenience of everything being in a large room where noise doesn't necessarily matter that much and you don't have to squeeze and kneel and crawl is huge of course.

So I've spent considerable brain and google time researching various options. The bottom line I've arrived at is that wanting to minimize wattage of the pump (which you do because the thing is going to run 24/7 in my case) external pumps that would work are Iwaki MD55rlt, Panworld 150PS and there were couple others from little giant etc. Reeflo being the Mercedes here has a pump called Tarpon Uno which would work well, but that is of course ridiculously expensive. I don't think they have any pumps below $400 ;). MAG 18 turned out to be an inexpensive submersible alternative... which I decided to go with, at least initially. It's the least expensive and some heat from a water cooled pump might actually be good (this remains to be seen of course, but just in case I do have a chiller) and heaters will kick in less.

In your case, if you just want to use the pump for water changes and top-off replenishment... submersible pump on the end of a vinyl or SpaFlex hose sounds like a much more convenient setup than hard plumbed external pump w/a network of pipes and valves going to all the containers ;). But... that's me, maybe its not so bad to have it all fixed and just turn the valves to do what you want to do.

BTW, where in VA are you? I am 3hrs from Lancaster PA as well (in Haymarket - exit 40 on 66), bought my 90G DT and 30G sump there couple months ago. Great place, I agree... It's like a reefer's nirvana when you go there! LOL ...

Space :)
 
I suppose with a submersible you don't have the issue of having to reprime it every time you change water sources. That is definately a plus. And my basement is in the 60s year round, so a little extra heat from a pump isn't a bad thing. I will need to run heaters in my reserve water as is. My plan is a small heater (50 watts?) and a small power head in each container for circulation. My reserve containers are 20 gallon brute trash cans.

I live in Vienna (Fairfax County). What do you think of the Marine Scene in Herndon?
 
I have the same setup as you - pumping water up from a basement and across to the other side of the house. I also use the Mag 18 and it works well. I use 5/8" clear plastic tubing from one of those Python siphon kits.

You probably will have more than 8-10' of head pressure once the water is up into your sump or tank. I prefer the submersible pump. Just drop it in the water container, pump the water up, and remove it. You also can take it up to your tank to pump water out as part of the water change regime.

I am no fan of the Marine Scene.
 
I have the same setup as you - pumping water up from a basement and across to the other side of the house. I also use the Mag 18 and it works well. I use 5/8" clear plastic tubing from one of those Python siphon kits.

You probably will have more than 8-10' of head pressure once the water is up into your sump or tank. I prefer the submersible pump. Just drop it in the water container, pump the water up, and remove it. You also can take it up to your tank to pump water out as part of the water change regime.

I am no fan of the Marine Scene.

Who do you use locally?
 
I suppose with a submersible you don't have the issue of having to reprime it every time you change water sources. That is definately a plus. And my basement is in the 60s year round, so a little extra heat from a pump isn't a bad thing. I will need to run heaters in my reserve water as is. My plan is a small heater (50 watts?) and a small power head in each container for circulation. My reserve containers are 20 gallon brute trash cans.

I live in Vienna (Fairfax County). What do you think of the Marine Scene in Herndon?
Well... I've been there few times and like to go there whenever I am in the area... but... their prices are through the roof, at least on hardware so I would never buy anything there. Livestock on the other hand is not that bad compared to what I've seen. You can get some pretty cool pieces w/out spending a paycheck. You'll get better deals on-line but shipping will make the deal not so good. I live 4 miles from BRK (Blue Ribbon Koi & Marine) and go there a lot too, they are my LFS. But their livestock is not as well maintained as Marine Scene, they don't have the same selection and prices are higher for the most part. Hardware is overpriced as well but not as much as Marine Scene I would say. And their (BRK) salt prices are great, actually the best I've seen (at east for Reef Crystals).

Spacey :)
 
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