Lyle's 150H in-wall build (with pics)

Wiring up all the Apex stuff took a bit longer than I thought it would and man are there a ton of wires! It's going to be really sweet once I get it all programmed correctly. The control is amazing. It seems like the technology is certainly there, but the user interface could be improved a bit. There are things you have to do to set it up properly that I would have scratched my head over for hours if I didn't have the Unofficial New User Guide I found online by Alan Jones. The ability to control everything with the iphone is awesome though once it's set up.
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I also got a pretty cool little LED light for the refugium. It's magnetic and sticks to the side of the sump. Hopefully it works pretty well at growing macro algae. We'll see.
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You should consider a bubble trap on the skimmer side of the sump, it will put them out and they will be pulled right down to your return pump.
 
You should consider a bubble trap on the skimmer side of the sump, it will put them out and they will be pulled right down to your return pump.

I heard from a couple people running a full siphon drain that it wasn't necessary. No offense, but I hope they're right and not you at this point because that would involve a LOT more work than I want to do! I certainly will though if I need to. Last night when I was running it with tap water I didn't get any bubbles making it all the way back up into the tank. Not sure if it would be worse with salt.
 
Its not your drain lines that will cause the micro bubbles but the effluent (output) on the skimmer certainly will, which will go over the baffle straight into your return pump. Even the Deltecs and Bubblekings of the world still throw out some amount of microbubbles after the break in. A second thing to note is that you really cant test for micro bubbles in fresh water as they wont form in fresh water due to the higher surface tension found in salt water allowing for smaller bubbles. To better explain, fire up your skimmer in fresh water, it will have trouble making any bubbles at all.

I hope it works and I am proven wrong!
 
Its not your drain lines that will cause the micro bubbles but the effluent (output) on the skimmer certainly will, which will go over the baffle straight into your return pump. Even the Deltecs and Bubblekings of the world still throw out some amount of microbubbles after the break in. A second thing to note is that you really cant test for micro bubbles in fresh water as they wont form in fresh water due to the higher surface tension found in salt water allowing for smaller bubbles. To better explain, fire up your skimmer in fresh water, it will have trouble making any bubbles at all.

I hope it works and I am proven wrong!

yeah I had it running last night for a bit and it wasn't making any small bubbles...I'm glad to hear this from you cause I was thinking something may be wrong with it!

maybe i should go ahead and put the trap in there...ugh i don't know...I guess it would be easier to do now before I have everything up and running with salt.
 
Microbubbles suck. I thought I had everything perfect, but now wish I would have gone with a wider sump and added a few more bubble traps.

My Octopus skimmer produces a good amount of microbubbles so I built a Vent to help with some of the splashing and bubbles. I've turned back my mag 9.5 to almost 40% allowed through to slow down the flow, this helped the most. I still see some, so I'm going to now install a reverse durso on the single drain line hoping it will remove all bubbles.

If I could do it over, I'd get the widest sump I could fit in the stand, put the drain and skimmer on one end, return on the last with at least two sets of over/under/over traps between them. Currently the drain/skimmer is on the right, fuge on left, and return in center with the pump also supplying water to the fuge.

Another thing I've noticed is the loer the level in the return and higher the drop off from the fuge or skimmer traps, the more bubbles are sucked into the pump. I need get get an ATO to keep the return section a good 8-10" deep. This way the bubbles which appear from the flowing water on the traps have time to move to the surface instead of being sucked into the intake of the pump.
 
ugh...now I'm really worried since your set up is nearly identical to mine. and you have a bubble trap, right? that's just great. I have none.

I wonder if I built a bubble trap box in the back corner and ran the drains and the output from the skimmer into there if it would help? I'm also thinking maybe I could build some sort of tent thing over the return pump so it only pulled water from the bottom and far side from the skimmer section. damn damn damn...I really don't want to have to build another sump!
 
Yes I have a bubble trap.

Here's what I have currently:
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Drain Tee's (my first plumbing idea was going to feed the fuge from the drain), fuge size is capped. Goes through ball valve (100% open) and then into a mesh filter sock on left of sump.

With the drain is my skimmer on stand, temp probe, ph probe, dual heaters. Under the skimmer is a new model maxijet 1200 feeding a carbon reactor which is dialed back and dumps back into this section of the sump. I figured if its under the stand it will circulate the water underneath helping prevent detrius from building up on the bottom.

Then I have an over,under,over baffle to the return. Return in the middle with mag 9.5 (bio wheel in there now to get bacteria for QT). Fuge on right fed from return pump with two balls of chaeto from diff sources (one from buddy, other from reefcleaners), 4" sand bed, and 20lbs of live rock.


I know the Tee on the drain is causing turbulence and bubbles, the mesh filter sock is doing a good job, but I don't want to keep changing them out to clean; I'd rather have this mini ecosystem filter on its own.

Skimmer has a DIY vent which did a great job at reducing microbubbles.

My advice (no matter what you do for plumbing) is run your skimmer during the cycle. You'll have lots of microbubbles as it breaks in, but better during the cycle than when you have fish.
 
I had rebuilding but you will be much happier if you take the advice of jsehlms. It will be 1000 times harder to do over once its up and running. You will kick yourself later if you don't, trust me.
 
it's really crazy how similar our set ups are...even to the maxi12 feeding a reactor out of the skimmer section. is that sump a 55g? thanks for the advice on running the skimmer during the cycle too. i'm guess i'm going to go ahead and try to get a bubble trap in there somehow...if i can't really fit a 3 pane one i'll probably put a "bubble box" in the back corner for the skimmer output to dump into...

i'm trying to avoid filter socks too as i've heard mixed reviews and they seem like a pain in the *** to keep clean.
 
I had rebuilding but you will be much happier if you take the advice of jsehlms. It will be 1000 times harder to do over once its up and running. You will kick yourself later if you don't, trust me.

yeah i know...this is one of those times when you know what's right but you don't want to think about it! I have to see if I can even fit a bubble trap in my sump now without tearing out the other baffles...

what do you think of my bubble box idea in the back for the skimmer output to go into?
 
So I just broke down and put in a bubble trap. It ended up not being so bad and definitely worth doing now. You guys think just 2 baffles like this is good enough?
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what's the spacing on those baffles? The higher the flow rate, the wider the spacing...

It's like 1.25"...I'd read on here to do them 1-1.5"...1" seemed too tight to me but I needed it as tight as possible so...The space has to be much larger than a 2-3" pipe volume wise.
 
I am not sure if this link will work but if you can find this on the web or build one out of scrap acrylic it might work. Other than that you can research pressure fit baffles but I dont recommend them personally.

http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=247848689412

Edit:

Cant really find them outside of Germany it seems =(
http://meerwasser-oase.de/Meerwasse...iver-PitBox-Passmodul.html?searchparam=pitbox

I checked these out and they are pretty cool. Too bad you can't get one in the states. It looks like something that would be real tricky to DIY too!
 
My sump is a 30g. I wanted some extra 'floor' space in the stand on the side which is why I didn't go with anything wider.
 
ugh...just found out that my second order for the AI Sols is delayed a month. And if I had just kept my order in with Reef Geek I would have had them this week. Just my luck! If anybody knows where I could find some of these I'd really appreciate it!
 
So I'm still waiting on lights but making other progress. Got water going for the rock cooking and I got some new tanks for the RO and FSW.
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Most exciting for me is that I got the trim on the display side done and started painting last night. I can finally see it coming together!
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