avandss
I'm hooked
i am starting to think all the meds (copper) did this to them. i will try giving them a clean system with no meds to see if it works, as some said let them try to fight what ever it is.
lympho vs brook (pyramid butterfly)
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i am starting to think all the meds (copper) did this to them. i will try giving them a clean system with no meds to see if it works, as some said let them try to fight what ever it is.
+1 Sounds like Liveaquaria needs to expand operations into Canada. But I'm guessing there might be excessive regulations preventing them and/or Quality Marine from entering that market.
avandss
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Newsmyrna80
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Needlessly subjecting a fish to harsh medications like formalin and copper is stressful and can be detrimental to the fish. Why would you treat with copper and TT? In this case copper may be the culprit.
NarakuAulonocar
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did the spots only appear after adding the copper?
avandss
I'm hooked
the spot on his chin did, but the outbreak was after 10 days of nitrofuracin green
i dosed daily with a 35% wc. as prescribed.
i did a quick fresh water dip on one of them to see if anything would fall off, i was starting to think it was little warms on them, after closer examination it was not.
it is not getting better, thats for sure
i dosed daily with a 35% wc. as prescribed.
i did a quick fresh water dip on one of them to see if anything would fall off, i was starting to think it was little warms on them, after closer examination it was not.
it is not getting better, thats for sure
NarakuAulonocar
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Hey, if thats the case then you can't completely say that copper was the cause because there was already spots before.
However, its clear that copper is not helping so you you can d/c it.
The reason I suggested it was because I was having the same problem and the spots actually subsided when I added the copper (LA also recommended copper). The spots came back in my case. Which is why I recommended the transfer. The copper is to get the spots to come off. Then the transfer to leave the parasites behind.
In my case the spots would not fall off unless, the tank was left dark for multiple days or that one time when copper was added.
Only cupramine caused the spots to fall. Other brands did nothing in my case.
Good luck and keep us posted.
However, its clear that copper is not helping so you you can d/c it.
The reason I suggested it was because I was having the same problem and the spots actually subsided when I added the copper (LA also recommended copper). The spots came back in my case. Which is why I recommended the transfer. The copper is to get the spots to come off. Then the transfer to leave the parasites behind.
In my case the spots would not fall off unless, the tank was left dark for multiple days or that one time when copper was added.
Only cupramine caused the spots to fall. Other brands did nothing in my case.
Good luck and keep us posted.
NarakuAulonocar
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I can also say with confidence it is not brook. If it was, your fish would have been gone by now. Brook also appears different.
NarakuAulonocar
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Mines looked exactly like your pictures
NarakuAulonocar
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Never mind. I saw that you already fw dipped.
Its urgent to solve this. In my case the fish was fine for months then lost its appetite and got skinny but eventually regained appetite. Unfortunately it passed during hurricane sandy, which is when I found out that darkness causes the spots to fall.
Its urgent to solve this. In my case the fish was fine for months then lost its appetite and got skinny but eventually regained appetite. Unfortunately it passed during hurricane sandy, which is when I found out that darkness causes the spots to fall.
avandss
I'm hooked
ok i will keep them in complete darkness for 3 days.
however i am not comfortable using copper again on them, since you had this exact situation, was copper absolutely necessary?
also when you say keep dark, covered dark? or room ambient light is ok?
i will transfer them after 3 days to a different tank.
however i am not comfortable using copper again on them, since you had this exact situation, was copper absolutely necessary?
also when you say keep dark, covered dark? or room ambient light is ok?
i will transfer them after 3 days to a different tank.
NarakuAulonocar
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Since copper is clearly not working in your case. I don't see a need.
I would keep them in darkness and do tank transfer.
I would still feed the fish during the process.
If you can't do transfer, there is no need to cover the tank because even if it falls off, its still in the tank and it will reinfect.
If you can't transfer, I would just feed vitamin enriched diet and just hope their immune system will overcome the problem.
Keep us posted.
I would keep them in darkness and do tank transfer.
I would still feed the fish during the process.
If you can't do transfer, there is no need to cover the tank because even if it falls off, its still in the tank and it will reinfect.
If you can't transfer, I would just feed vitamin enriched diet and just hope their immune system will overcome the problem.
Keep us posted.
NarakuAulonocar
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As a last resort. Some people seem to have success with chloroquine for ich that are larger spot.
NarakuAulonocar
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This is just my opinion but I believe so. Because in my case cupramine had a temporary effect and it fell off the fish in darkness as well. The appearance and symptoms are just like ich.
To be 100% sure, you have to get microscopic examination if you have the time/money.
To be 100% sure, you have to get microscopic examination if you have the time/money.
I don't know ..... have had lots of cases of ich and lympho and none of them looked like the OP's Pyramids (nor the Hippo). Avandss, if you can locate some chloroquine phosphate, I'd be inclined to give that a shot. Much easier on the fish (wrasses excepted) and pretty broad efficacy.
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