MAC losing favor with dealers

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In Memoriam
People,
There is a growing disenchantment with the Marine Aquarium Councils inability to show any certified fish to give certified dealers something to work with.
Some of us have always known that MAC would never work the way it was set up and now people and staff who once believed them no longer do.
The staff has largely been fired or have resigned and there are no fish in the pipeline .
After 5-6 years of poor effort and millions of dollars sqaundered . formerly certified exporters are not re-certifying their companies.

Here is he latest from the Philippines from a company called Marine Fauna;


Why did MarineFauna not seek recertification with MAC?



Some visitors of the MAC website may have noticed that MarineFauna (MF) is not listed as certified exporter since August 2005. MF was approached by MAC for recertification but we feel that in the current situation MAC has to work out substantial aspects of its program in order to raise the certification status to an attractive level. In the following we share a short summary of the reasons why the management of MF decided not to seek recertification at this point of time:

MAC certified fish supply is limited to the following species: Mandarin, Banded sharks and their eggs, Tomato, Maroon, Percula, Chelmon and every two to three months a single blue face angel. According to our export data, the amount of MAC certified fish is by number 2 to 4 % of our total animal sale, despite the fact that we try to satisfy our orders with exclusively MAC certified fish.

We were promised by MAC that the situation will change in favor of higher and more diverse supply by the middle of 2004 which did not.

Currently, we can't comply with the minimum traceability requirement of MAC to identify any supplied MAC certified fish by an individual collector. So far we received from our supplier in Batasan only the number of individuals of a single species, the different collectors' IDs and the entire batch together in a bag (Mandarin), or in individual plastic bags (Chelmon) but without individual identification number of the respective collector.

We do not feel that the individual collectors' identity must be with each fish. We consider it as sufficient enough, to be able to trace any batch of fishes back to a group of collectors at a definite to trace back any problems through the entire chain of custody. However, it's a core requirement and we can't be certified unless this is changed (core requirements have to be met for certification according to the MAC Standards). It is surprising to us that Batasan passed recertification without satisfying this minimum traceability requirement.

Our DOA and DAA reports from importers as well as our own DOA and DAA in the facility reduce the number of MAC certified fish saleable as such to 0.2 to 0.4% of our entire animal sales because of exceeding the cumulative and added DOA mortality allowance for MAC certified fish. Unfortunately, the availability of data from other certified exporters have not been accessible yet, despite several announcements by MAC in the past, so we can't compare our actual standing regarding DOA and DAA with other exporters.

MAC does not differentiate DOA and DAA between species that ship easily (e.g. Mandarin) and species that ship usually with higher DOA (e.g. Wrasses).

The feedback of certified importers does not allow us to record data as required. Feedback is sometimes a single sentence such as "good shipment" or "very few DOA only".

We have experienced, that the transport starting from the moment the shipment is turned over to the cargo section of the airline until such time that the client receives the cargo from the customs in the importing country, must have a major impact on the DOA and DAA of the shipment. We had shipments ranging from 0 DOA up to 40% DOA. The suppliers and our handling and packing standards have been both the same for extremely different shipments. This fact is not considered in the MAC mortality allowance.

In the past we have been asked frequently about the sustainability in the trade mandated by MAC. So far we couldn't answer the questions and we believe that MAC needs urgently to come up with data to prove sustainability of the collection areas. So far all fish ordered will be caught.

In the certification assessment the exporter is asked about how he is ensuring that the MAC label packs are not used by unauthorized users. This is ridiculous because the MAC label packs have been promised for 2 years now, but were never received.

The paper work required for documentation is far too much and we feel it's overdone, particularly considering the lacking availability of MAC certified fish. We strongly propose to trim down the documentation to minimum core documentation and probably a very limited set of docs. Documentation of staff training records, equipment maintenance plans, calibration of measuring devices etc. is in the foremost interest of the exporter and shouldn't need MAC control.

Communication of MAC with certified exporters is unsatisfactory. No direct written information is provided to certified parties about new certifications (except biannual webpage corrections), updates, events etc. The newsletter from the email MAC subscription is more for public information and can't replace the direct communication with certified parties. For instance, MarineFauna learned from the webpage of MAC that it is not listed under the certified exporters anymore.

The number of MAC certified importers is far below the predicted goals of MAC. Feedback from companies who turned down the certification can be grouped into the following criticism: impractical documentation, MAC fish is not healthier than other fish from good exporters, DOA and DAA values are arbitrary figures without scientific basis, few MAC fish available only, expensive certification and no visible market advantage with MAC fish.

Despite the issues above we are still supportive of the initial MAC certification program. Currently, there is a striking mismatch between the required commitment to the MAC certification and the actual advantages of MAC. MF management has decided to wait with the application for recertification until the issues mentioned above are solved.
 
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forward from Vanuatu

Steve,
This is very similar to the problem we had with getting MAC certified. This is why in the end we decided to pass. Obviously our fish are of the quality, if not better, than others who have been certified. ââ"šÂ¬Ã…"œthe proof is in the puddingââ"šÂ¬Ã‚ There is simply too much corporate type paperwork involved in becoming MAC certified. The fact that I have 4 times as many customers than I can service is a clear indication that our fish are of superior quality. Itââ"šÂ¬Ã¢"žÂ¢s certainly not price since I am not cheap. They need me more than I need them. Iââ"šÂ¬Ã¢"žÂ¢ve never been turned down by a customer because I wasnââ"šÂ¬Ã¢"žÂ¢t certified. MAC spent a lot of time here. But they would not budge on their criteria. Traceability was a big problem. It was too time consuming (and wouldnââ"šÂ¬Ã¢"žÂ¢t have been accurate anyway) to trace our fish to a single diver. Even a single boat would have been tough. Collecting practices should be enough in my mind. The irony is that once someone decides to jump through all the hoops there is no follow up. Certified for life?? Iââ"šÂ¬Ã¢"žÂ¢ve never heard of anyone become uncertified. And how in the world does a transhipper like Amblard get certified. Iââ"šÂ¬Ã¢"žÂ¢d like to know how his fish can be traced back to the individual diver. Can anyone answer that question for me? Unlike MarineFauna we did seek certification and even had the MAC people here several times. But we came to the same conclusion. The paperwork was simply too much and not practical for an export facility in a country like Vanuatu. MAC needs to go back to the drawing board and rethink its criteria for export facilities on Pacific Islands. Actually I think they really blundered in their selection of the first MAC certified facilities. They should have worked backwards and selected the highest quality fish on the market and then earmarked those operators for certification. There are many many examples of how MAC certified fish are not superior to non certified fish. Segrest is another example of a MAC certified facility that carries some of the worst fish on the market. They buy from us. But the bulk of their fish come from their own Philippine facility (BREM). And these are among the worst in the trade. This doesnââ"šÂ¬Ã¢"žÂ¢t look very good for MAC. I donââ"šÂ¬Ã¢"žÂ¢t delve deeply into the various MAC certified outfits. But after Amblard got certified it was too much to bear. Heââ"šÂ¬Ã¢"žÂ¢s even blacklisted from Vanuatu by the Dept of Fisheries for unsavory collecting practices in the past. Before any facility was ever certified I approached Paul Holthus at a seminar in Fiji when I found out that they would be certifying exporters in the Philippines first. I told him then this was a big mistake and that these small handcaught Pacific island facilities should be among the first MAC certified fish to ââ"šÂ¬Ã…"œroll off the assembly lineââ"šÂ¬Ã‚. Mainly because they were supplying among the best fish on the market already and at least this would give the illusion that MAC fish were superior. Of course it fell on deaf ears. Iââ"šÂ¬Ã¢"žÂ¢m not even clear on the fact that there are actual fish that are more MAC certified than others. This seems a bit ridiculous. Identical species of fish from various locations and exporters are different. I worked in Bali for a while and some fish from there simply did not live. I cite as a couple of examples Canary Wrasse (H. Chrysus) and Sleeper Gobies (V. strigata). They always died from Bali. But these same species are excellent from Vanuatu. Perhaps Iââ"šÂ¬Ã¢"žÂ¢m reading it wrong. I suppose it doesnââ"šÂ¬Ã¢"žÂ¢t really matter at this point. We can be added to the list of of companies that turned down MAC certification for the exact reasons MF states on the bottom paragraph.

companies who turned down the certification can be grouped into the following criticism: impractical documentation, MAC fish is not healthier than other fish from good exporters, DOA and DAA values are arbitrary figures without scientific basis, few MAC fish available only, expensive certification and no visible market advantage with MAC fish.

Despite the issues above we are still supportive of the initial MAC certification program. Currently, there is a striking mismatch between the required commitment to the MAC certification and the actual advantages of MAC
Itââ"šÂ¬Ã¢"žÂ¢s nice to know weââ"šÂ¬Ã¢"žÂ¢re not alone in our thinking.

Larry Sharron, Livestock Manager, SRS Vanuatu Ltd.
 
From what I can concur when reading the MAC's website their intentions are very good, and the idea that they are supporting and I guess their grand plan for all of this seems like an excellent thing for the retailer, customer, and environment. It sounds to me like the MAC is either understaffed or trying to do too much too quickly to satisfy the demands of a hobby which is growing at a tremendous pace and close to reaching mainstream status.

Like the write up you posted says, the MAC requires that retailers meet their core requirements but it sounds like the MAC is falling short on their part.
 
I'm just a hobbyist but I have huge concerns about the viability of MAC. As a retail buyer surfing their website, I cannot find a single reasonable source to buy from online, much less, close to my home. If the above letter is true then it's no wonder because I have not been in the market for a mandarin, clowns or banded sharks.
If MAC could find a way to promote the retail end of this endeavor then the retail buyer could put some weight behind where we choose to purchase fish.

I would suggest to you that the hobby would be better served by something as silly as asking members in the forums in sticky posts to commit to buying as much aquacultured product as possible than this MAC deal which only deals with the supply side of the equation. Buyers don't demand certified product because there is none to be found anyway.
My suggestion is for MAC to allow retailers to apply for certifications that are slightly less insane that start with more along the lines of education and effort to import MAC quality fish with spot audits of their tank conditions, etc. Require them to give out some literature. Call it a MAC Education Cert. Then down the line maybe us buyers could exert some pressure to help out.

Just my two cents.
 
Right,
But who would educate mac?
They just fired their last staff member from the industry who knew anything.
They are not from the aquarium trade and as such commit huge errors when prescribing remedy for it.
They are out of touch, out to lunch and have demonstrated an inabiltiy to learn, change and compromise.
The last staffer left on bad terms over the basic issues of managerial incompetence and a serious case of control freak administration.
Steve
 
How deep are politics involved in this? Is this just another "here goes our money try to make something out of it organization"?
 
It has been very easy to blame MAC, as well as other NGOs for what has not been accomplished in the Philippines. Readers should know that dealing with the cyanide issue in the Philippines has not been an easy task.

This environmental problem in the Philippines requires the willingness, commitment and direct participation of the Filipino government to be solved. Poverty is the worse enemy of the environment, fisherfolks are extremelly poor and have been neglected by their government as well by the marine aquarium industry. A real solution will come only when the central government and the industry in the Philippines, and overseas, get involve in the process of change. Social and economic aspects need to be addressed. The solution to this environmental problem is much more than just net training.

The Filipino government has failed to manage and protect their natural resources. The government of the Philippines has failed to regulate the trade of marine ornamentals.

The industry of marine ornamentals in the Philippines has its last chance with MAC. Failure = ban.

Jaime
 
WHAT???

The industry of marine ornamentals in the Philippines has its last chance with MAC. Failure = ban.

Now thats absurd.
MACS failed....not the potential to solve the problem!
Steve
 
Like I said. I am a hobbyist. They have had zero affect on me and leave me no way to positively influence this hobby by supporting their "efforts". So, it sounds to me like in the end it has been a huge waste of resources.
The point in the above letter is worth noting in regard to quality of fish collected. Retailers will buy livestock that is healthier and knowledgeable buyers will buy from those retailers with healthier stock. Non-educated consumers will continue to buy from Petco type sources. This is why I advocated education on the retail end.

Hopefully if they suck as much as you say (paraphrasing) they will shortly be gone and replaced by someone who can do much better.
 
The potential to solve the problem will be there when the Filipino government WONT relly ONLY on NGOs to tackle it, when the government get involve in the process and tackle the social and economic components.

Who is to blame for the situation in Indonesia?
 
In business that happens quickly!

If you don't produce in business, you're gone in 60 days.
In football....coaches get fired every season they fail to make the finals.
In Jai Alai the captain loses his head!

In non performing non profit groups, it happens very slowly.
MACs director has fired their field people to blame them for not producing... instead of the leadership for not leading.
The routine firings support what I said about them. They have fired 5 core people in the past year.
There is a growing movement within the groups sphere of influence to finally fire the director and let more sensible people lead what could have been an effective organization.
Steve
 
Steve,

What do you think should be the role of the Filipino government regarding the commercialization of marine ornamentals for the aquarium trade? What should be its responsibility regarding this fishery?

Jaime
 
Jamie,
If you want to wait til the government gets real, clean, fair, attentive and compassionate...I fear we will be waiting until global warming burns the reefs.......... or until hell freezes over.

We inside the trade can lead on these things that we know better then anyone else in the world.
Steve
 
I would think the government should want to protect their natural resources and would act accordingly but I'm hardly surprised if they don't.
Is it reasonable to expect MAC to overcome this apathy? Of course not. That just again points to the fact that they are ineffective as it is beyond control but it is not casting blame.

Bottom line is that you cannot FORCE ethics on people unless you have some powerful ways to persuade people (i.e jail) and even that doesn't work in a lot of cases.

As I said above, the only way to fix this problem for good is with economics. Hobbyists need an avenue to exact an economic pressure on people engaged in these activities. That is NEVER going to happen until we have educated the consumer AND given them a place to purchase ornamentals that are not from persons destroying their own resources.
 
jolt26,

If the government and the industry in your country are doing nothing to protect the coral reefs and fish populations... what do you think should be done?

Steve,

I think the leadership from the Filipino government is key. Laws and enforcement are necessary to avoid that stakeholders in the Philippines do whatever they want. Just take a look of what happens with the distribution of cyanide, it is getting to the wrong hands easily.

zukihara,

Marine aquarium hobbyists have been absent since the problems in the Philippines surfaced over two decades ago. The majority of hobbyists are looking for cheap fish. The same majority do not care about environmental problems related to the commercialization of ornamentals from coral reefs. They care less about social and economic problems fish collectors face every single day.

Poverty and environment do not mix. The situation gets worse when you add; corruption and lack of laws and enforcement to protect the natural resources.

During the last two decades many things have been done in the Philippines to tackle the many problems this industry has created. Today, we can see very little has been accomplished, mainly because of the lack of willingness and commitment of the central government. The Filipino government should had been the one leading and setting up the rules of the game. Should be the one responsible for protecting the coral reefs and fish populations.

It has failed.

Jaime
 
He writes;
"The Filipino government should had been the one leading and setting up the rules of the game. Should be the one responsible for protecting the coral reefs and fish populations."

It has failed.

The federal fisheries dept...BFAR was influenced heavily ...controlled in fact by the employment of a MAC staffer in the directors office. In fact, the MAC country co-ordinator was the right hand man of fisheries there for a decade...and the go-to guy on all policy relating to the tropical fish idustry.
The guy resigned in anger after MAC tried to pressure him to have the director make MAC certification mandatory to the issuance of export permits.
This take-over of the trade failed and the group has since been going downhill steadily...firing more people as it goes to fob off the blame for their dysfunction.
What they could not win in results...they sought in political manipulations...
Read this again before responding.
This is why the central government was ineffective.
Steve
 
Steve,

Be serious. The problem in the Philippines goes back in time. MAC was not around during the 90's. Filipino government inaction goes back to those years, in fact, goes back to the middle 80's when the problems facing the trade were denounced.

During the 90's there was another group very active ... do you remember IMA? The same person you mentioned worked also for IMA.
Why you don't mention it?

No one government should relly on NGOs to solve environmental problems as the one in the Philippines, neither should relly on NGOs to establish management strategies or regulate a fishery. I do not think that NGOs dictate management policies or regulate fisheries in coastal waters of the United States.

NGOs are there to help.
 
You just wrote;
The industry of marine ornamentals in the Philippines has its last chance with MAC. Failure = ban.

Then...a few days later;
"No one government should relly on NGOs to solve environmental problems as the one in the Philippines, neither should relly on NGOs to establish management strategies or regulate a fishery."

So which is it?
MAC is the last chance or not that relevant?
???
Steve
 
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