made nooby mistake! but need solution now.

[zheka757]

Here is my worry thou! how guaranteed is this 72 days fishiness cycle? I did some google research and people claim that they still was able to get ich even after 3-4 month of fishless tank!?
I dont know how mad ill be to see ich back in a tank after all this work and money spend on ttm.

 

[homer1475]

Nothing in this hobby is a guarantee(except loosing money), but it is one of the well known ways to eradicate ich in your tank. If people saw a return of ich after 72days fallow, they did not do it right. There are rare cases where ich has lived past 72 days, but definitely not the norm.

Typically people that saw a return of ich, had faulty methods in the first place, or did not TTM subsequent additions.

When I first started out I did not QT anything and lost several fish to ich. Started doing TTM on every new arrival and left my display fish less for 72 days and have not had an ich outbreak going on 2 years now even though I have purposely bought fish with visible ich cysts.

 

[ali1]

^listen to this guy

 

[reef cuber]

rubbermade garbage cans work too. Good luck with your fish

 

[hkgar]

TTM!? question, Do i need to tread the ones with ick already first? and then do TTM?

They probably all have Ick, just not all showing it.

Never mind, just finished reading and TTM is complete on all fish. 72 days may or not be enough but I believe that statistically it's about 98% confidence level.

 

[James404]

I'm in the process of doing the TTM on a pair of ORA Premium Picasso clowns. When they transfer to the new tank each time, they don't even seem to realize. Definitely don't seem stress, and eat right after.

I've done copper and hypo in the past and both seemed to stress both me and the fish a lot more than TTM.

Just my .02, take it for what it's worth of course.

 

[ncaldwell]

I read somewhere else about using a black mollie to test for ich in the tank, apparently it shows up fast and easily on black mollies. So you could read into that as a "test" to see if it's really cleared up. I had the same problem where 72 days wasn't a long enough fallow and I got ich immediately. I got angry and reset the tank. TTM has worked wonders for me though

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[zheka757]

I read somewhere else about using a black mollie to test for ich in the tank, apparently it shows up fast and easily on black mollies. So you could read into that as a "test" to see if it's really cleared up. I had the same problem where 72 days wasn't a long enough fallow and I got ich immediately. I got angry and reset the tank. TTM has worked wonders for me though

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so lets say i do put black mollie in there and do find ick, should i wait for another 72 days?

 

[ncaldwell]

My vote would be to take it out the second you realize it has ich and go for another month. Try again. I've not had good luck on fallow but if it isn't ich with me it's something else

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[Maggie321]

I am so glad your fish are doing well.

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[tjm9331]

you guys are making me nervous now, I'm nearing the end of my 72 day fallow period and I'm starting to worry that I haven't eradicated the problem :hmm2:

 

[Maggie321]

My .02 is DO NOT PUT A FISH IN THAT TANK FOR 72 DAYS. If you've educated yourself and followed the recommendations of the pros, then have confidence that you've done it right. Don't let others create problems in your tank that aren't real. You know that you've the steps necessary. You are your own tanks expert. You know your fish better than anyone. If they have been done with TTM for 72 days and you have followed all the rules, then you'll be fine.

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[monkeysee1]

72 Days IS PLENTY SUFFICIENT for a tank to run fallow to eliminate ich in more than 99.5% of the cases! READ THIS!:

http://www.reeffrontiers.com/threads/27003-Marine-Ich-Myths-and-Facts

so lets say i do put black mollie in there and do find ick, should i wait for another 72 days?

DON'T DO THIS to a fish. DON'T. Just run a COMPLETE 72 day fallow period and you'll be fine.

Just want to update on whats going on. After reading all you replies I decided to do TTM on ALL my fish with 4 om my 32g bins (boy its a work.... and not cheap)
im approaching my last transfer of the of TTM process, Since first transfer i have not seeing any ich on my blue hippo and powder blue, SO so far its working good. However! Im not sterilizing everything like using vinegar and all.. Im just rinsing everything with garden hose outside and living it dry for over 2.5 days in garage.

This is fine. If you can move your equipment dry out for a period of time to direct sun, so much the better. Make damn sure you spike each of your hospital bins with kick start bacteria (i.e.- Tetra or Prodibio Bioclean ampules), or you could have an ammonia spike like you read about. And get good heaters and pumps for good flow. Watch your Ammonia, Nitrates, pH and Alkalinity like a hawk.
Best of luck to your fishies, let us know how you make out.

 

[zheka757]

72 Days IS PLENTY SUFFICIENT for a tank to run fallow to eliminate ich in more than 99.5% of the cases! READ THIS!:

http://www.reeffrontiers.com/threads/27003-Marine-Ich-Myths-and-Facts



DON'T DO THIS to a fish. DON'T. Just run a COMPLETE
72 day fallow period and you'll be fine.



This is fine. If you can move your equipment dry out for a period of time to direct sun, so much the better. Make damn sure you spike each of your hospital bins with kick start bacteria (i.e.- Tetra or Prodibio Bioclean ampules), or you could have an ammonia spike like you read about. And get good heaters and pumps for good flow. Watch your Ammonia, Nitrates, pH and Alkalinity like a hawk.
Best of luck to your fishies, let us know how you make out.

Just finish reading this post from a link you sent, do you guys found this to be true about ick dies off on its own after 10-11 month as long as no new ink has being introduced to aquarium?

 

[zheka757]

http://www.reeffrontiers.com/threads/27003-Marine-Ich-Myths-and-Facts

14. INTERESTING FIND: If no new MI is introduce into an infected aquarium, the MI already there continues to cycle through multiple generations until about 10 to 11 months when the MI has "˜worn itself out' and becomes less infective. A tank can be free of an MI infestation if it is never exposed to new MI parasites for over 11 months.

this is what i meant to ask about. do any of you find this true from personal experience?

 

[monkeysee1]

14. INTERESTING FIND: If no new MI is introduce into an infected aquarium, the MI already there continues to cycle through multiple generations until about 10 to 11 months when the MI has "˜worn itself out' and becomes less infective. A tank can be free of an MI infestation if it is never exposed to new MI parasites for over 11 months.

I think what the author means is this:
Let's say you have an ich infestation in your aquarium which originally has ten (10) fish.
Eight die. You have two, that for some reason - manage to survive. If you add NO fish or OTHER vertebrates for 11 months to a year, and just let the remaining two be, and keep caring for them, the parasite becomes weak and dies off because there are no other fish it can infect, due to the fact that the last two fish have built up a resistance to it and are able to fight it off.
Wouldn't want to test that theory, though. I've NEVER heard of anyone eliminating ich from their DT this way.

 

[zheka757]

Just want to update on my 2 weeks. Since TTM has being finished. So far no fish died. I ended buying a 50 gallon bin from home depot. And stored my fish in there, the battle with ammonia has being pain. Already did 2 75% water changes in this period of time. Today I added 32 gallon bin to the system hoping ammonia won't build as fast now.

 

[ali1]

Good work

 

[Maggie321]

Awesome. So glad your fish are doing well

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[zheka757]

Thank you! its not easy doing what im doing. with all the water changes now... just hard to keep it up.