Mantis won't get out of rocks in fresh water?

[J2FcM]

Surely Rick, the mark has been made on us all and we're greatly offended you're into killing Mantis just like the original poster... *shrugs*

Turning something subjective like "how you're suppossed to respond to someone asking questions on a forum" into an objective rule, with a handful of bitterness doesn't seem in tune with your forum ethics. I cannot reasonably see how you becoming bitter over the forum will make anyone cater to your views on posting nicely. It seems like a defensive move, that solves nothing... and has solved nothing.

Some animals are extremely sensitive to water conditions; some people are extremely sensitive to forum posts...
The Mantis lovers are hardy forum goers, very tolerant of all forum conditions, much like our Mantis whom are hardy sea creatures! hahaha... ahhh


Hopefully my words are lost on him and he's taken his own advice and peaced out.

 

[RicksReefs]

look, up in the sky, it's a bird, it's a plane... no, it's the point.

and it's over your head.

 

[Jojoyojimbi]

i feed mantis and pistols to my octopus

 

[cobaltplasma]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13388577#post13388577 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Jojoyojimbi
i feed mantis and pistols to my octopus

That's pretty good, I feed octopuses to my relatives. Octopus sashimi, anyone?

I've been watching this thread for a while now, didn't wanna chime in but man, you guys are gettin' all hot under the collar. RicksReefs, I think you can at least kind of see how someone coming on a mantis board and requesting means on how to kill said mantis would aggravate those who post here. Sure, he might be a neophyte, sure he could just be doing what his LFS told him (which as just about everyone pointed out was a Bad Ideaâ"žÂ¢), and yeah, a lot of reef goers think that mantises in general are destructive pets. But this is, after all, a board dedicated towards perpetuating the keeping and caring of mantises so I think the argument of what most reef goers would think doesn't hold as much water here.

Yes, coming here to find information would, in general, be a good idea, however the delivery of the request I think is what got people all flustered. It's like if you went to a website (or web forum, whatever) devoted to Cats and asked what's the best way to cook one, tonkatsu style, because you've always wanted to try it...would you really expect people not to respond with vinegar as opposed to honey? I'd say the same goes for a forum dedicated to mantises and their keeping.

You mention courtesy but I think courtesy probably could have started with the OP actually reading through a few more posts here before firing off their question. They'd see pretty clearly how much love the mantis gets, so requesting means to kill one off would be met with, to say the least, some opposition. Courtesy can definitely swing both ways.

Snide remarks and backhanded commentary isn't needed when people are looking for information. If someone asks for it and you don't agree with their methodology and mindset, well at least it would help if they got the information instead of just a cold shoulder and an opinion. On the flip side, going to boards dedicated specifically to the care and interest of any animal and then requesting how you can kill it on the board is an invitation for vitriol that will most certainly not be met with a warm welcome.

Regardless I think all of you should just chill out a bit, go back to whatever you're doing, enjoy your aquariums for a bit, and just relax. J2FcM had it right on arguing over an internet forum, though I dunno, this is just my 2 cents on the matter...anyways, time to feed my mantis heh.

 

[RicksReefs]

again, my whole point was about the reception the OP received from poster #3, nothing else.
I'm pretty chilled (and bitter is a joke) and my 10" Squilla empusa could care less as long as he gets fed local damsels...

 

[VacavilleFC3S]

this thread needs to be locked. it's going nowhere but down hill

 

[T-T-Trigger]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13388732#post13388732 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by RicksReefs
my 10" Squilla empusa could care less as long as he gets fed local damsels...

wow, sounds nice, i would love to see photos of him/her and his tank setup.



and - while i do see where "poster 3" is coming from, i don't see why you would take the position of defending a moronic troll with 1 WHOLE POST who says they put all their LIVE ROCK in FRESH WATER!!!
t-t-trolls

 

[T-T-Trigger]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13388737#post13388737 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by VacavilleFC3S
this thread needs to be locked. it's going nowhere but down hill

I absolutely (dis)agree - we just don't know where it's going, that is very different...


I would like the OP to chime in. but its not likely to happen.

 

[justinl]

are you still losing sleep over this rick? If you're trying to get me to apologize, go catch some shut eye. it' not going to happen.

this thread should have ended a while ago.

 

[J2FcM]

heheh, I agree with thread locking now...I'll admit I posted for no other reason than to incite Rick to come back and respond! anahahhah

 

[J2FcM]

oh and Rick is helping me get to 100 posts so I can choose my own avatar which will be a picture of a mantis eating a Fiddler Crab named Rick, ooooh its so thilly


*edit* ok ok ok, Im sorry. when youre inthe office and bored things get out of hand. But honestly it was just to incite a response. I openly admit the addiction to psychological forum response manipulation. GUILTY. but I apologize. I want happiness in every tank, be it reef or Mantis devoted!!!! ... let the Polyps thrive, and the.... meh. Blue Moon.
but really, as long as everyone respects the animals they buy, find, or accidentally end up with... its cool. My only real arguement *that I care about in this thread* is that I could've taken in that Mantis... When we put the forum politics aside, and look at it from nuetral sidelines, I am a Mantis lover, living very close to someone who could have easily given a Mantis a home and solved a problem in one step and the opportunity was lost.

So make a forum stickie about how to preserve\get rid of your mantis and explaining that people here will take in the PESTs and mayhaps we'll avoid this whole awseome thread.... although I do appreciate drama... I mean, at least its something to post about... right? Save the drama for my mamma, no way, save it for me! ok

Alas... my fingers f a ll o f f


*hand stub edit*

fingerless, I do agree with Rick tho, one must be bitter with something in order to keep a Mantis. But Its all good... Mantis shrimp take in the bitterness and spread it in the tank!!! a mild form of bitter reduction.... freakin Motoko comes out and buries every ground level coral in sight and then rushes out and stomps and pill bug rolls on every other matt coral stickin it polypy star fingery hands out. ahh stinkin Mantis! OK, so the next fiddler I get wont be named Rick, I'll name it....Ralphs... and Motoko will be Stater Brothers and take the form of price destroying competition except shell smashing destruction. ahhhh...

 

[Gonodactylus]

The largest Squilla empusa reported in the literature was 7.5 inches. It is rare to find one over 7 inches (measured from tip to the eyes to tip of the telson.

Roy

 

[RicksReefs]

well, I didn't actually pull out the tape measure, but here's a pic of him going thru quarantine in a 20" 10 gallon.

he's in an 8 foot trough now.

 

[Gonodactylus]

Rick,

The animal shown is Lysiosquillina glabriuscula. This is a monogamous sand-living species common in Florida waters. They occur from the low intertidal to at least 40 m.

Roy

 

[RicksReefs]

cool, thanks for the correction. that's why I don't do ID's on mantis.
I didn't get around to doing an in depth search on him after I caught him in about 20 feet of water. he seemed pretty dazed and docile when I found him in a shallow bowl depression that he appears to have dug out. I spotted it from the surface because of it's continual swirling in the hole. and since I had no experience with the larger mantis, I figured it was a good time to get some

 

[Gonodactylus]

You probably saved him from being picked off. Lysiosquillids use mucus mixed with sand to form their burrows. Large animals cannot produce enough mucus to start a burrow. They dig a pit, but that is as far as they can go. Predators usually get them before the burrow provides much protection. When males lose their mates, they usually abandon their burrow and go looking for a new female. That would be my guess as to why the animal was out and about.

Roy

 

[RicksReefs]

I'm familiar with the large mucus burrows, they're pretty numerous in many of my local snorkel/dive sites. it can be rather eerie gliding over a large burrow in a couple feet of water with nothing but swim trunks on.
this was my first opportunity in 10 years to find one out of it's burrow (and I wasn't going to trash a house/damage the animal to get one), and it did seem rather disjointed in it's behavior.

 

[Guygettnby]

well i can agree with all sides of this story and everybody makes mistakes in some time or another.

best method i have seen so far for a stuburn mantis is soda water BTW.