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I hope we don't expect perfection. John has done so much to support the club with raffle donations and great quality/value in corals. I don't expect him to have IO for under $10 a bag but I am willing to pay to support a good business. I'll be there opening weekend, I have to work too Mihn.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7008892#post7008892 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by MandM
I hope we don't expect perfection. John has done so much to support the club with raffle donations and great quality/value in corals. I don't expect him to have IO for under $10 a bag but I am willing to pay to support a good business. I'll be there opening weekend, I have to work too Mihn.

He will! You should see the pile of IO he has in the store right now!!!!
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7008496#post7008496 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Nu2SW
People without children could learn an important lessons from babies by learning a little patience goes a long way.

If i left my children with my wife then she would miss out as well...

My God man, why can't you let this off-topic issue drop?!

I don't go to the meetings to learn patience, and I certainly don't desire you to impose your "lesson plan" upon me. Seriously, a child is a reflection of its parents. You say you "made the choice", and with that choice comes responsibility. When the kid starts shrieking, it's you that should be inconvenienced by having to get up and move outside, not everyone around you.

When someone takes a cell phone call in the middle of a movie that I just paid $10 to see, I shouldn't have to listen to them chatter on about whatever. It's rude, disruptive, and it offends me. No difference between that and anywhere else in this society you decide exist. Our members expect to get their $25 worth by learning from the guest speakers and the entire presentation, not bits and pieces.

This "go F yourself" attitude I see so many inconsiderate people exhibit these days really bothers me and it's indicative of the direction our society in general is headed. We all have to exist on this planet together, and having kids does not exempt you from having to share it with me or anyone else.

I wonder if you would "just deal with it" if someone sparked up a cigarette right there in the meeting. That could be considered just as offensive as some feel about a noisy child!

"Not-Kid-Friendly" is a very subjective assupmtion. Think of it as "Those-Around-You-Friendly".

But like I said, it's not the child's fault, it's the parent's.
 
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<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7009069#post7009069 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by thereefgeek
My God man, why can't you let this off-topic issue drop?!

I don't go to the meetings to learn patience, and I certainly don't desire you to impose your "lesson plan" upon me. Seriously, a child is a reflection of its parents. You say you "made the choice", and with that choice comes responsibility. When the kid starts shrieking, it's you that should be inconvenienced by having to get up and move outside, not everyone around you.

When someone takes a cell phone call in the middle of a movie that I just paid $10 to see, I shouldn't have to listen to them chatter on about whatever. It's rude, disruptive, and it offends me. No difference between that and anywhere else in this society you decide exist. Our members expect to get their $25 worth by learning from the guest speakers and the entire presentation, not bits and pieces.

This "go F yourself" attitude I see so many inconsiderate people exhibit these days really bothers me and it's indicative of the direction our society in general is headed. We all have to exist on this planet together, and having kids does not exempt you from having to share it with me or anyone else.

I wonder if you would "just deal with it" if someone sparked up a cigarette right there in the meeting. That could be considered just as offensive as some feel about a noisy child!

"Not-Kid-Friendly" is a very subjective assupmtion. Think of it as "Those-Around-You-Friendly".

But like I said, it's not the child's fault, it's the parent's.

I was responding to Liz she asked me a question and i answered her.

And what you just said is the most asinine thing I have heard. I am not having this "GO F URSELF" Attitude, What im Saying IS that what I said.

First things first No one was, as you say shrieking, she simply got fussy and became quiet. So someone to get all bent out of shape because a child started to "shriek" for 5 seconds and became quiet,when given a cracker. certainly needs to learn some patience.

And Im not the one keep on bringing stuff up. People keep posting and am I not to voice my opinion.

And yes I would just deal with it if someone sparked up inside " not minding its against the law", It is there freedom to do as they wish. And it is parents freedom to bring there children to events. And if someone was so bothered, they could always ask nicely for them to quiet the child down.

and its the parents fault for trying to sit and quiet the child. All of you are taking this to the extreme as the child Yelled and screamed, shrieked for the whole meeting.... Did that Happen NO, So i think Everyone needs to take a look at what they are saying and how they are acting, Becuase Everyone is blowing this WAy out of proportion.

I went there to have a family time and learn something. If you had a problem with it then Keep it in private, My aim and email are on here. Not post it for the world to see, As i said before if the child continued to cry and cry I "WOULD" get up and take them out, But since that wasnt happening I didnt see a need for it.

shhesh I would love to see if a child Did stay in the Back and Cry and cry for 10 minutes. Everyone would riot.
 
What i dont ge is how rude you are being. I am not gonna sit here and say im sorry for my kid being hungry and trying to feed her and keep her happy, And sometimes the shrieking is from being Happy. My Parenting Skills Have nothing to do with it. I am a new parent ,It doesnt Happen Over night. SO yes some curtesy and patience would be greatly apperiected. Not some ranting and raving Anti-parenting posts and all the other crap. It just goes to show the type of person and group you are.

That all you care about is your damn fish meeting and no one else'sfeelings or situations. This is the first time I went to a meeting and this is how I get treated for taking my kids, because a couple of people cant handle a baby expressing itself that its hungry. Then There is lots to be learned.

You represent the group and its views.... Plain and Simple.

And your views try to show that I dont know or am a bad parent and that the group does not like having any type of noise what so ever. Things change, new people come and Old go. It isnt always going to be the same every meeting.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7010279#post7010279 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by MandM
Well said Rich. No edit needed.

Wow, I am so sorry I came and ruined your precious meeting.

I would of been fine even if you tapped me on the shoulder and said do you mind taking her outside, since it buggged you and everyone so much. Atleast I semi know you, and was invited by you. So that gave a little bit more room for you to ask me "Nicely" if I could take her out.

Not come on here and then back up your reef friends, Or say Hey he's new he didnt know. But everyone wanna slam and get negative. And rich not knowing if the person who took there kids with them to the meeting might be a member of the board, and wanted to be a future member.

Couldnt Be a grown-up and just let it go. That was 4 days ago and your still bothered by it... MY GOD its a once a month meeting. you mean to tell me that 4 days later your still bothered by it that you had to post something on it about something totaly different.


And its not only me, fail to see my wife was there too now she is upset and crying becuase she thinks that she ruined everyones night based on the way everyone is responding and being.

Wow, I think your fish need your care.
 
I think everyone needs a chill pill. I have them on sale for $25. :D I hope we can just end the personal attacks and keep this on a professional level.

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Regarding Friday's meeting: Take my view with the knowledge that I love kids, but don't want any of my own. Anyway, I was in back most of the meeting. There was a cute little girl dancing around in the middle of the room. I didn't find it distracting at all. My only concern was that the little girl was dancing close to the glass of beer, and I was afraid that she might spill it on the laptop. (I am just paranoid.) However, I just moved the glass away, and the problem was solved. As far as the baby crying - it was brief and I thought the parents did a good job to keeping it under control. I thought those two kids were pretty well behaved. Admittedly, I was in back, so I my experience may have been very different from those who were closer. BTW - I think it's ironic that we are focusing on these two kids when I have seen much worse from "adults" at the meeting.

As far as daycare area, I think M&M got it right. There is definitely some liability issues with having a "daycare" area. In addition, most LFS are pretty small, and that would be a big space to give up. Maybe make some of the display tanks kid-friendly where parents AND young children can enjoy the displays together. For example, there could be a LARGE display tank with interesting facts about the different fish or corals in the tank - similar to what you would see in a public aquarium.

Another good thing would be if the store had a "library" where you can open a book to look up a specific fish or coral. There's been times when I have been in a store looking at a fish, and wanted it. However, I forgot my
Scott Michael's Marine Fishes Book and ended up not purchasing the fish. Setting up a little library is cheap and is very useful.

Minh
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7010728#post7010728 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by mn95616
I think everyone needs a chill pill. I have them on sale for $25. :D I hope we can just end the personal attacks and keep this on a professional level. :D

I've got the same pills but I'm only charging $10. Plus, I'll give you some wine to take with the pills for free.


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I have seen much worse from "adults" at the meeting.



Minh



Uh..sorry for my bad adult behavior. :p I don't drink either so I have no excuses!
 
Well... I am not sure about you guys... reefers drinking and taking pills. It doesn't quite sound right...

But, everyone do chill. I think we all want to be able to attend the meetings. Everyone just be as courteous as possible. I think that's all we want.

Back to the main topic... I agree with a lot of the other posts about what people desire... what I want would be a public restroom! How often do you need to drive an hour, two, or more and then you get there and need to pee! Don't you all tell me I'm the only one either! :P
 
Ok - everyone, I'll take the blame for the kids. I was standing in back waving at the kids and smiling at them. So blame me for "egging" them on. I move that we take a vote to revoke me from the board... anyone want to second it? Please....

Nu2SW - Don't let what Rich or anyone say discourage you. One of my coworker was at the meeting as well. We talked about this thread during lunch, and he didn't think that your kids were misbehaving either. We thought your kids were very well behaved for their age. Trust me - we have some adults in the club (not referring to Rich or anyone who has responded to this thread so far) who aren't as well behaved as your kids. :D Your family did not ruin the meeting for me at all. This post makes MARS seem so family unfriendly. Ironically, my GF has always commented how she likes the MARS frag swap better than the BAR frag swap because it was much more family friendly. (BTW - I am not trying to start a flame war regarding MARS' vs BAR's frag swaps. :lol: ) There's a lot of really good people in the club, so don't let the opinion of a few discourage you.

If people are really concern about kids at the meeting, maybe we should try to reserve some of the tables in back for people with kids so that the noise isn't quite as distracting and it would also make an easy exit for those whose children are crying. I think as a club we can definitely make this work.

Minh
 
FunGuy,

You are so right. All LFS needs a CLEAN public restroom.

Minh

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7010834#post7010834 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by FunGuy
Back to the main topic... I agree with a lot of the other posts about what people desire... what I want would be a public restroom! How often do you need to drive an hour, two, or more and then you get there and need to pee! Don't you all tell me I'm the only one either! :P
 
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Thank you minh, very much.

Atleast you made some suggestions to better this, becuase people with kids may come in the future.

, And thank you for movings the drinks. I did not see those there. But thank you.
 
Ohh god!! I hope I didn't totally miss the off topic posting...I'm highly disapointed I didnt look at this earlier because I have quite a bit to say...but I'll remain quiet till the next snow ball is hurled :) tick tock tick tock.
 
As a Mother Of 2 Screaming Tantrum Throwing Brat Boys I say :

MARS IS FAMILY FRIENDLY, the trouble is not every family is MARS friendly.

I dont really appreciate this comment "It just goes to show the type of person and group you are."

Have a disagreement with one or 2 or 10 if you like but do not presume to know me or the other 150+ member of this group. I cant stand it when my own kids scream much less other's kids, after you've had your child for a few years and maybe add on another one or 2 kids to that total you'll understand how un-cute it is. << I didnt realize you already had a truckload of kids... so I suppose you should already know how distracting they are.

This is coming from the most disrespectful, loudmouthed, uncouth member of the club mind you. Sometimes I think an adult should put me in time out during the meetings.

BTW: I think Rich is the Shi... I mean he's cool, and not because of what he has said, but because he isnt afriad to say it, weather you agree, disagree or plead the 5th you gotta respect that.
 
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My turn! :)
At first I thought Rich was being harsh (I don't believe anyone saw what I saw, but I'm glad more time and thought went in to it before the "First Lady" took a better approach at this possibly volatile subject)
I wasn't sure which way to go with the new guy's posts until I realized that he (plus what seemed like 8 kids and entire family) were the ones constantly making noise, talking loud, squealing and making idle remarks to their kids without consequences, not having the common courtesy to step out of the room during the last meeting (Once that realization took hold, his credibility fell right out the window)
Just as Rich mentioned, Liz and a few others have done the responsible and respectful act of stepping out when their kids decided to try out for "American Idol" in the middle of presentations.
Another well behaved group of kids I'd like to mention is Melissa's girls, they are little angels.
Before I get off track... The above observation really explains certain people's "need" to have their children cared for by LFS'. This is due to having too many kids too quickly and not being able to fully get a grasp of the responsible adult role before the next kid has popped out. They do not have control over their own kids.
I do admit that I can be snappy and expect a lot from my kid 5yr old little girl, but you would never see her acting and carrying on the way I saw those kids were. By the way, politeness from kids is golden in my book.
When Taylor was growing up, I knew her limits, I knew that she could not sit through a 3 -4 hour meeting quietly so I paid for daycare, in fact 2 meetings ago was the first time I brought her. And she behaved quite well (feel free to challenge me on that).

Fatsuki's remark at 10:54am was great, Rich you need to share the computer more often

(Quote from Nu2SW: "A so deal with it attitude is not rude. If you dont like you then you deal with it in a manner you choose ie: go to another store, come back at another time, or stay and just go along with your day. There are children in the world and we have to deal with it, We cant make them go away. That is what I was trying to imply by that comment")

I say great, this is a well behaved kid, responsible parent and family friendly local reef club, and if you don't fit the description then maybe you should deal with it and take up the next hobby that caters to out of control kids and parents that don't know what to do with them. Sounds like something from Jerry Springer, Hey that might be an idea!!!!! :P.

Hats off to Amanda's mom for attempting to share some good common sense with the not so embraced and soon to be "moved on" invitee. Oops, did I say that out loud?...

As a loving parent, I love this Hobby, this club, and most people on here. I disagree with Rich quite often but i believe that the royal family is correct on this one, haha.
 
Yeah OK right My kids were totaly screaming and yelling at the top of there lungs. They were jumping around like monkeys, from table and just being foul mouthed.... 8 kids, really a 2 year old, 9 month old and 2 adults equal 8 kids and 2 adults.

Idel remarks, Talking out loud. Yeah OK where you sitting right next to me. Becuase I talked in a whisper to ask my wife to check on when our pizza was gonna be there because they were taking forever and I was in a middle of a table with people all around me.

Those kids, Are you sure you know who or what your talking about... Unless you consider a 9month old sitting on my lap acting out. and a 2 year old dancing and keeping quiet, For the most part with an outburst of Saying Hello to someone.

She is 2 years old, and you prove my point on how people are.

That is the most absurd post Ive seen.

Im sorry telling my daughter to stay quiet and be nice, Makes it to the point to where someone could not hear Becuase it was not being loud.

I say great, this is a well behaved kid, responsible parent and family friendly local reef club, and if you don't fit the description then maybe you should deal with it and take up the next hobby that caters to out of control kids and parents that don't know what to do with them. Sounds like something from Jerry Springer, Hey that might be an idea!!!!! :P.

really Out of control, That is the most insane thing ive heard anyone say. Hey maybe YOUR kid might be whipped and doesnt move, Oh wait shes 5 not 2. What do you expect from a 2 year old. Sir you do NOT know me and can not judge me as a parent and say that I dont know what to do. My children are raised right and act very well and they are polite for being a 2 yr old. SO for you to have the nerve to say what you said makes you an outright rude.



Now do you see why i say that the club is the way it is, Comments like that.

Hats off to Amanda's mom for attempting to share some good common sense with the not so embraced and soon to be "moved on" invitee. Oops, did I say that out loud?...

Yet another outlandish and rude comment, How do you know that i did not embrace what she has told me. I left that meeting thanking her for what she has told me and what she had given to me. So you have no room to speak.


Just as Rich mentioned, Liz and a few others have done the responsible and respectful act of stepping out when their kids decided to try out for "American Idol" in the middle of presentations.

AS i stated were they screaming at the top of there lungs.

The above observation really explains certain people's "need" to have their children cared for by LFS'. This is due to having too many kids too quickly and not being able to fully get a grasp of the responsible adult role before the next kid has popped out. They do not have control over their own kids.

I didnt say Need " i said it would be nice if a store had something like that. You are taking this way out of context and way behind the whole meaning of " that would be kool"

And yet you make another personel stab at me and my family and how you Love to point out how WEll your child is. Shut UP, You act like you are in highschool. Your child is not the same as any other child and there for can not be compared. You wanna compare go put them in a miss baby contest.

Too many kinds, really 2 kids is too many kids. You know how my parenting abilities are, You know me. Youve seen me before. Your making a statement to just fit in with your reef friends. We showed up at 745 just before it started and left at 9ish when the raffle was over. so how is that 3-4 hours.


I know my kids acted just fine there and IF they started yelling and screaming they would of been taken out, BUT THEY WERNT, If you dont want small children then you need to make it known and why offer a family pass, you never know they might have young ones.

You All gang up one the newcomer because he doesnt know how you like things, Nice way to show new people how they are welcomed.

I think minh is the most level headed person here. The worst thing that was done was her dancing in the middle and him being "paranoid- His words not mine" :-) and moving the drinks away from the laptop. "Which is a bad place to put them in the first place"

Totalkhaos, I did not mean to offend you in anyway. But it was just the way I have been lead to feel on how it is there.

And mind you IM not the one who started this rich gave a comment and I didnt even hint towards they were my kids, untill amandas mom said they were mine, which was not needed and should of been done in private and this whole thread wwould of been avoided. I am not gonna let people talk about my family and not defend my family.

None of you know me, None of you took the time to say Hey maybe it was a one time thing, Hey maybe they couldnt get a babysitter, Hey its onlya lil toddler playing no big deal. But no everyone had to make a big fuss about it 5 days after the meeting, Come on I mean Sheeesh.
 
I dont want your money, what totaly disrespect. Does noone here what so ever have any type of compansion.

People blew this way out the water and it did not need to get like that plain and simple. people said things that they should of kept in private and it even wouldnt of gotten like this.

So what you do if you dont like something is just try and run someone off... Himm sounds Like Nemo all over again.

It was never about the money, It was about the Lack of respect that All of you have shown me and my family. Plain and simple. If you didnt like something be more cival, Not like some Jr high OH my god IM better then you click.

Yes I am 25 with 2 kids, a wife that stays home and takes care of them and I make all the money. So Me taking them out if a Nice fmaily adventure since we stay home with the kids and raise them.

Its time for me to rub my nose in, What 25 yr old do you know that can supply finances to a family with one income and be well off. Not many. My kids are just as great as any of yours polite,kind and not all rowdy like you folks make them out to be.

SO THERES my brown nose rubbing in on my family with a stick up my @$$

See how that sounds, Like back in JR high. my god.


I can be like that too, but i havent, Ive tried to be cival and respectful, unlike some poeple here.


All ive asked for in return was the same. and you just wanna be rude.

Ask your wifes to look at this thread and see how they react. I bet you be sleeping in the dogg house.

and not try to be all this macho man, no kids role.
 
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