Metasepia pfefferi hatchling
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marinebetta
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Not the live ones, tho....<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8987339#post8987339 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by GreshamH
Australia no, Singapore, yes.
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marinebetta
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Generally it should not be a problem...only worry is the shipping time, and of course....the shorter the time, the more ex!<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8990503#post8990503 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by GreshamH
Unless Singapore has a strict live goods like Australia, we'd have no problem shipping there. I have a feeling that Singapore has no problem with recieving live goods though. I'll have to ask our international freight broker what Singapores policy is
It may be a problem through "official" declared channels (problem only in the sense that it will need a permit) but othewise it should come through fine. Let me know what you can find out about cost and permit needs - I should be able to get them if required. Thanks!I still can't believe that it is so hard to get hold of Penaeus larvae within Mainland Singapore itself. Feeding these young cuttlefish is frustrating, more frustrating than any other larvae I have tried. The prey items that could be commonly utilized are either too big (amphipods) or too small (E.g rotifers, bbs). You need something that is between that size and crustacean in nature (either larvae or the smallest of mysids)
marinebetta
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Mine are about 4-5 days old. Size wise would be about the same as bandensis, I think - they eggs are typical cuttle egg size, and possibly slightly bigger IMO. Mantle length would be maybe between 1/4 and 1/2 inch?
marinebetta
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The worst thing is that they never seem to be very active at all. Mostly they just sit in one spot, doing a headstand most of the time. The last 24 hrs, mine have more or less gone to shelter in the clump of chaeto - much better than in the open at the breeder sides IMO.
Yesterday, I picked up a gravid anemone shrimp, thinking it might pop soon - right I was...released it's larvae the same night, so now I have some anemone shrimp larvae in the breeder.
Problem is that they still show no interest!
Yesterday, I picked up a gravid anemone shrimp, thinking it might pop soon - right I was...released it's larvae the same night, so now I have some anemone shrimp larvae in the breeder.
Problem is that they still show no interest!
MJI
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Ok guys, not eating to start with in not uncommon. They survive from the yolk sack for a fair old amount of time. Some of my guys didn't start eating until day 7.
Here's a little tip, providing you can get the right food (come onto that in a bit). Well I hope it's a tip.
Can you guys get cyclopeeze over there? The fine powder form? If so, just before you feed, put a tiny pinch in. I found that it elicited a feeding response much better.
Now, the food. These guys can be fussy, and your looking to supply them with food at about a mantle size up to a mantle size and half. Pretty bug huh, but they can handle it.
I caught my own live food and used a type of mysis local to me. Have you got any fresh water run offs into salt water nearby?
If you can get the just the edge of the run off, maybe a little further into the fresh and start netting there, you may be lucky. A river mouth that floods when the tide it in to form a little estuary is a great place to look.
Barring that you have to look urgently at soucing some mail order if possible.
PS: another little tip, don't fret over inking incidents. At this size the ink should be pretty thick, if you leave it settle for a little while, then SLOWLY go in with a piece of airline to suck it out. Mine got so used to me they wouldn't flinch when my hand went in the breeder to do my daily cleaning of the net.
I really hope you get some food sorted, and get these guys going.
Pfefferi are amazing creatures - truely amazing. I was once offered some eggs once and passed them up. Wish I had taken em now!
Please, do keep me posted.
Here's a little tip, providing you can get the right food (come onto that in a bit). Well I hope it's a tip.
Can you guys get cyclopeeze over there? The fine powder form? If so, just before you feed, put a tiny pinch in. I found that it elicited a feeding response much better.
Now, the food. These guys can be fussy, and your looking to supply them with food at about a mantle size up to a mantle size and half. Pretty bug huh, but they can handle it.
I caught my own live food and used a type of mysis local to me. Have you got any fresh water run offs into salt water nearby?
If you can get the just the edge of the run off, maybe a little further into the fresh and start netting there, you may be lucky. A river mouth that floods when the tide it in to form a little estuary is a great place to look.
Barring that you have to look urgently at soucing some mail order if possible.
PS: another little tip, don't fret over inking incidents. At this size the ink should be pretty thick, if you leave it settle for a little while, then SLOWLY go in with a piece of airline to suck it out. Mine got so used to me they wouldn't flinch when my hand went in the breeder to do my daily cleaning of the net.
I really hope you get some food sorted, and get these guys going.
Pfefferi are amazing creatures - truely amazing. I was once offered some eggs once and passed them up. Wish I had taken em now!
Please, do keep me posted.
marinebetta
Premium Member
Lost my last one yesterday as well. Similarly no interest in food at all - pods, anemone shrimp larvae, royal gramma larvae, a small crab, freshwater shrimp, frozen mysis, etc etc. Mostly they just do headstands......
Strange creatures......
Strange creatures......
marinebetta
Premium Member
They eat selco??:crazy1: :strange:<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9052163#post9052163 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by FuEl
I was tempted to try pinhead crickets gutloaded with Selco. Then again those will only move if they float.
MJI
New member
I'm sorry to hear that guys. Without offence, maybe it was too little too late.
Was there any left with the aquarium? It would be interesting to see how these have faired. If the plonked it, maybe it was a weak batch...
They are very demanding little fellows, and there may be a wild "element" that we do not know of or understand as yet, needed for first foods.
This is still good information out in the community, so please, don't feel too down. It's assuring to know that these weren't wild caught eggs..
Was there any left with the aquarium? It would be interesting to see how these have faired. If the plonked it, maybe it was a weak batch...
They are very demanding little fellows, and there may be a wild "element" that we do not know of or understand as yet, needed for first foods.
This is still good information out in the community, so please, don't feel too down. It's assuring to know that these weren't wild caught eggs..
marinebetta
Premium Member
Someone posted this article on tonmo.com the other day.
Got me wondering if these hatchlings were disadvantaged from the start....
The first strange thing that struck me was that the 2 that I got were found "hiding" between the front glass of the tank (actually it was a sump) and a betta box holding gressengeris. Thought it was awfully strange for them to want to seek somewhere in the open, fully visible and in a bright environment when there were tons of rubble for them to hide in....
Then there was their strange movements - they never really swam like cuttles. Movements were jerky and they often stayed at the corners of the tank, or bottom - seemingly like they were more comfortable against a solid surface. And, of course, the "head standing" stance that they were often observed in.
I think maybe something was lacking in the embryonic environment and they just never developed normally??
Got me wondering if these hatchlings were disadvantaged from the start....
The first strange thing that struck me was that the 2 that I got were found "hiding" between the front glass of the tank (actually it was a sump) and a betta box holding gressengeris. Thought it was awfully strange for them to want to seek somewhere in the open, fully visible and in a bright environment when there were tons of rubble for them to hide in....
Then there was their strange movements - they never really swam like cuttles. Movements were jerky and they often stayed at the corners of the tank, or bottom - seemingly like they were more comfortable against a solid surface. And, of course, the "head standing" stance that they were often observed in.
I think maybe something was lacking in the embryonic environment and they just never developed normally??
