Cubed Reefer
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Things is WHY should it be that much? I know the florescence thing but think about it sell at 4-500 $ then charge 30 a month for life. Easy money.
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I am in the field, and good quality equipment are not cheap.
The maintenance themselves are crazy expensive.
On monitoring equipment, it has to be repeatable and accurate.
For an example, if operator A, performs a test with equipment 1, can operator B get the same results on equipment 2.
Test equipments that can do this, does not come cheap unfortunately.
The maintenance themselves are crazy expensive.
On monitoring equipment, it has to be repeatable and accurate.
For an example, if operator A, performs a test with equipment 1, can operator B get the same results on equipment 2.
Test equipments that can do this, does not come cheap unfortunately.
Cubed Reefer
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Either way I will be first in line, will to take the risk to get to the promise land of testing.
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Ted_C
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Good Job Luisagos. I was going to comment but you did a good job and did your research.
I like what they are doing (thinking ahead) - figuring out the calibration curves over time and adjusting their results based on life expectency.
It still bothers me that we don't know who they are and cant verify their credentials or previous research papers.
It also bothers me that our data will probably have to be kept on their servers (it's unlikely the units will include any memory to store the results locally). Even if it did - you'd still need their propietary algorithims to calculate your actual concentrations.
Think about it - if they are in the Ukraine and there is a time of civil unrest and they shut the internet down - we dont get our data.
I like what they are doing (thinking ahead) - figuring out the calibration curves over time and adjusting their results based on life expectency.
It still bothers me that we don't know who they are and cant verify their credentials or previous research papers.
It also bothers me that our data will probably have to be kept on their servers (it's unlikely the units will include any memory to store the results locally). Even if it did - you'd still need their propietary algorithims to calculate your actual concentrations.
Think about it - if they are in the Ukraine and there is a time of civil unrest and they shut the internet down - we dont get our data.
ChadRaay86
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Either way, I think the newly formed team of Ecotech/AI will own it before the year is out...
Ted_C
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Are you talking about this one: 2013/12/09/mindstream-oxygen/ from rf builders (abbreviated)?
I know that article and it never mentioned founder or engineers. The best piece of info I got out of there was they are using Lab-View - which is a software package I'm familiar with in my prior days.
Postal
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From their Facebook page:
We thank you all for your continued interest in the Mindstream Monitoring System, and wanted to update you on our development.
We've had our monitor working in our own fresh and salt-water tanks for the last 18 months. Most of our initial test focus has been on saltwater systems. Our freshwater aquarium test research is catching up but may not be ready at the same time as saltwater sensor discs.
We have been embarking on a very detailed testing plan developed by our PHD Chemist, University professor and co-founder Giuseppe Petrucci.
Dr. Petrucci, along with our other founder Jim Clark, are currently refining the algorithms to assure the best possible accuracy throughout the 90 day life of the chemical sensor disc.
As you've seen in our postings, the technology is very sensitive, so much so that the daily changes in CO2 and O2 can be seen as a result of the photosynthesis changes between night and day.
We have also just prototyped a new Calcium sensor that has 6 times more fluorescence gain which will make calibration of our monitors simpler in production. This new sensor justified a delay in launch given the benefits it provides.
Our testing also includes assuring that the latest generation of aquarium lighting has no impact on the light sensitive sensor foils. We are also testing for the most common aquarium additives even when doses far exceed recommended levels. Fluorescence sensor corrections for temperature, time and pH are also underway.
We will be testing for adverse storage and shipping conditions, (high heat and extreme cold) and determining the shelf life of our chemical discs. These are just some of the adverse conditions we'll be operating under. The adverse conditions will be in test chambers so as not to endanger any aquatic life. Initial indications are that we will not be able to permit freezing of the sensor discs without some damage.
Throughout our testing plan, we'll be verifying our results with an independent laboratory.
Our goal is to provide the most accurate, reliable and economical method for determining the chemical content of any aquarium water environment. We are very pleased with how our development is progressing stay tuned for future updates! Thank you for your patience our continued testing will result in an even better product!
Twistedpro
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Patent applications for the technology
http://www.faqs.org/patents/assignee/step-ahead-innovations-inc/
http://www.faqs.org/patents/assignee/step-ahead-innovations-inc/
RiddleEagle18
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So cool if they make this work
Rbs07fxstc
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Sounds like a good start & it will only get better. Pretty soon we'll have tanks that monitor parameters & auto dose themselves to maintain levels. I wanna see that someday where a reef tank is fully automated. Not for me, but want to see it.
Twistedpro
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If you look through the patents they having a patent for dosing the tank depending on parameters.
Paradiddle7
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That's like saying nobody will ever have a digital camera, cell phone, Lcd television etc...
The purpose of technology is to innovate and scale to make processes and products better and more affordable to the average consumer. This is what they will be doing. The true question is not the price but what will be the accuracy and durability of the product for the $600 price. If it lasts 5 years it will be well worth it, assuming it's more accurate than current testing methods.
The purpose of technology is to innovate and scale to make processes and products better and more affordable to the average consumer. This is what they will be doing. The true question is not the price but what will be the accuracy and durability of the product for the $600 price. If it lasts 5 years it will be well worth it, assuming it's more accurate than current testing methods.
RiddleEagle18
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They have been posting charts and graphs on facebook. Interesting stuff.
Actually that is a bad analogy. The technology for those things were done in the 1940 era.
What change is the process of making the transistor smaller.
We are actually reaching a point with the limitation on how small we can go, you can only go as small as the electron.
We already have done that, with a tunnel diode.
The problem we face with our testing is not a technology issues its a scientific limitation.
Some test must be done in certain way.
There is not whole a lot of ways of testing certain parameters.
The more accurate you get, the more expensive the equipment becomes.
The methods really does not change.
Its still pita if your doing it with a $45 Hanna equipment then a $20k equipment.
The hope with mind-stream is, that they are using a different type of technology.
But what they are using is not new.
Fluorescence applications are in the bio-medical, fluorescence probes (like in water treatment) some forensic application.
Those fields have a healthy budget, and if you look at some of replacement fluorescence strips they super expensive.
What I like is the charting you can do, with creative software, you look at the trend, and see what happening then taking a single snapshots of a measurement.
That could prove to be valuable.
Time will tell with these guys.
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