minitus grouper and lionfish?

[Megatrev62]

Good or bad idea? Lionfish there now ,only fish in 108. Will adding the grouper be ok? Also this hobbyist wants to add a clown trigger and marine beta to this mix. I told him I WOULD NOT ADD either fish.Just my feeling on this. All opinions welcomed. He really wants the clown trigger.

Check out reef fishes as I posted question last night. Thanks.


Miniatus grouper. Spelling lol

 

[MrTuskfish]

Good or bad idea? Lionfish there now ,only fish in 108. Will adding the grouper be ok? Also this hobbyist wants to add a clown trigger and marine beta to this mix. I told him I WOULD NOT ADD either fish.Just my feeling on this. All opinions welcomed. He really wants the clown trigger.

Check out reef fishes as I posted question last night. Thanks.


Miniatus grouper. Spelling lol

I never heard of a 108, did you mean a 180? A Clown trigger is the worst possible fish to put with any lion in any tank. It isn't a question of "if" he'll shred the lion, its "when".

 

[Megatrev62]

Thanks for reply. Hagen 108 gallon 60" x18" x 24".

 

[Megatrev62]

Just to clarify. The grouper and the trigger have been together for 4 months at LFS in a squatty 35 cube. They seem fine together. The lion is the first and only fish he has in the tank. I told him about the trigger and he's aware of the potential problem. There is also a marine beta in another tank at the store he also would like to have. Would the grouper also have potential to harm the lion? Bottom line what should he add if any of these fish. Thanks

 

[Megatrev62]

It's a ratiata lionfish- 4.5 inches

Clown at 3.5
Miniatus at 5.5

 

[sacremon]

While the 35g is horrible for those fish, the 108 isn't that much of an improvement in the long run. The grouper in particular will grown fast, and will be too large for the tank in a year or two. Radiata are more timid and slow than volitans, so aggressive eaters like a trigger would make feeding it difficult. Not sure about the grouper and aggressiveness in feeding. Given their closeness in size, if you are able to feed the radiata well enough, it should grow and keep out of 'being food-sized' for the grouper. Of course, if there is a clown trigger in the mix, that will be moot as soon as the trigger kills the lion, and vastly out-competes it for food.

You could get away with a marine beta, a radiata and a minatus for a while, but they all like to hide when the lights are on... what would you see during the day?

 

[namxas]

Besides the whole lion-trigger issue (and there will more than likely be one), the adult size of the fish needs to be considered:

Cephalopholis miniatus (grouper) = 12" - 14"

Calloplesiops altivelis (betta) = 7" - 8"

Balistoides conspicillum (trigger) = 18" - 20"

Pterois radiata (lion) = 7"-8"

This is not to mention that P. radiata doesn't do well with agressive fish, altho the comet/betta would be a good tankmate.

 

[MrTuskfish]

I've never kept a Marine Betta; but from what I've seen & read, they may be good tankmates for lions. Besides the trigger/ lion disaster I mentioned above: IMO, the tank is much too small for any grouper, long term. What species of clown? It will probably be lunch for the grouper or lion down the road. Also, just about any two fish can seem to get along in a cramped dealers tank, with hundreds of little kids fingers keeping them on edge all day, so don't use this as much of a decision factor. But, once settled in, I think the grouper would be too boisterous for the more skittish Radiata. I had a miniatus with a Volitan for several years and they did well.

 

[Megatrev62]

Thanks all. It's ultimately up to him but I'm hoping he'll heed this advice. He told me that if the clown trigger starts any trouble, he'll be getting rid of the lion. Seems he's hell bent on that trigger.......................

 

[MrTuskfish]

Thanks all. It's ultimately up to him but I'm hoping he'll heed this advice. He told me that if the clown trigger starts any trouble, he'll be getting rid of the lion. Seems he's hell bent on that trigger.......................

Something tells me that the Clown Trigger will take care of getting rid of the lion for him. Clown Triggers are incredible looking fish and I can see why some people can't resist them. I still don't know if they're really beautiful, or just unbelievably bizarre.

 

[Powederblue]

I would go with a grouper loved mine.

 

[DoubleM 10]

+1 on the marine betta for the lions. very slow and passive fish. i have been told by many and the stick at the top of the aggresive section not to keep triggers with lions.

 

[StephLionfish]

Thanks all. It's ultimately up to him but I'm hoping he'll heed this advice. He told me that if the clown trigger starts any trouble, he'll be getting rid of the lion. Seems he's hell bent on that trigger.......................

Maybe you'll end up with a peaceful trigger, Maybe everything will work out. Or maybe that trigger will torture (kill) the lionfish. I've seen with my own eyes Clown triggers beating the snot out of lions. I've read where groupers have been found with lionfish remains in their stomach, in the wild anyway. Groupers get huge. And Clown triggerfish are perhaps one of the most aggressive triggers in the trade. All I'm sayin', if you get those three, don't be surprised if one goes missing...or is in pieces... Clowns are beautiful, but I don't care much for bullies.:mixed:

 

[MrTuskfish]

Maybe you'll end up with a peaceful trigger, Maybe everything will work out. Or maybe that trigger will torture (kill) the lionfish. I've seen with my own eyes Clown triggers beating the snot out of lions. I've read where groupers have been found with lionfish remains in their stomach, in the wild anyway. Groupers get huge. And Clown triggerfish are perhaps one of the most aggressive triggers in the trade. All I'm sayin', if you get those three, don't be surprised if one goes missing...or is in pieces... Clowns are beautiful, but I don't care much for bullies.:mixed:

CTs are well known to play nice for months, even years, before going postal. But you can't change their DNA. I've seen it twice and heard about it countless times. I have never heard of a CT that did not turn very aggressive sooner or later....talking a few years, not months.

 

[Megatrev62]

It's a ratiata lionfish- 4.5 inches


Not a ratiata but a mombasa.