Monthly cost

Thank you so far to those who have answered the stated question. I belive I am going to start another thread later on unless you don't mind getting slightly off topic on making more efficient systems.

I belive if we not only make more efficient and energy conscious efforts with reef keeping it will allow us to save on what natural resources we are wasting away with high power consumption. But we might be able to improve our husbandry some. Not to mention the savings we would have on our pocket books to be able to put more back into the hobby not to the electric company.
 
Oh and I forgot to mention one of the reasons I started this thread is I will be setting up a sumpless cost effective energy effcient SPS aquarium.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7760046#post7760046 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Eric Boerner
I disagree about the heater. You can more effectly heat your tank on staggered smaller heaters in seperate locations of the tank. If you toss a 500 watt heater in your sump, you are drawing 500 watts continously until your sensor reads the full tank is at your desired heat. This might be in 5 to 30 minute 'bursts' of heating, depending on how cold your room is.

If you ran 2 250 watts at seperate ends of the tank (overflows), 1 set 1 degree higher than the other, your 'bursts' of heating will draw less power, since only one will kick on predominately. Yes you will have it on longer than a 500 watt, but the legnth of time theyre vs current drawn will be less since the tank will be heating more evenly, than a single spot.
The 500w in this case will run just as often, for half the amount of time, resulting in the same amount of heat, for the same amount of electricity. Heaters, for all intents and purposes are perfectly efficient devices (actually, 100% inneficient). That 500w heater will take 5 seconds to raise the surrounding water to 80 degrees, while it takes the 250w 10s to do the same thing. Same amount of electricity. Its conservation of energy at work here.

That being said, I do think 2 smaller heaters is a great idea. Its a safeguard in the chance that one sticks on. It DOES NOT save you electricity though.


And yeah MJ-900 mods are by far the cheapest, most energy efficient way to get flow through out a tank. Makes you wonder why the price of Tunze and the new Vortechs have gone up, rather than down to meet the 'competition' of the modders.

They have gone up because there is no competition. People are still out there yelling "you get what you pay for" to justify the fact that they spent $150 for what should be a $30 powerhead. People are still willing to pay for tunzes. Its a niche market where people are convinced its a quality product. I can see some people being willing to pay for the controllability aspect, but the non controllable ones are just silly.

I have a Tunze 6060 in my tank, I got it used for $75. Sitting right next to it is a maximod. The maximod is half (to a quarter) of the size, uses less electricity, has a bigger spread, moves about the same amount of water, and cost about $20 all told.

I reef on a limited budget, and the maximods mean I can spend that money on things that would help my reef more. I can spend money, but I can't waste money. If that money would be better off used elsewhere, it gets used elsewhere. I could run 2 Tunze 6060s for $250, or run 2 maximods, get the same effect, and have an extra $210 to start saving for a Ca reactor.
 
Re: Monthly cost

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7752688#post7752688 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by jciotti
I was just wondering what majority of the SPS keepers on this forum pay out monthly in tank expenses.

Include to your best estimate electricity, supplies including salt, Ca media blah blah blah and what not. And give your tank size what equipment your using for circulation and lighting heating and chilling.

Im in hopes that this might help some people gauge what they are going to be spending monthly after initial setup costs..

Thanks
John

John

On my upcomming 150. The power bill will be about $2.25 a day with my cost of elec .155/kwh. I am looking to add about 1-2 gallon a day for top off. I thingk the rejection rate for most RO are 5:1. So I will look to add 300 gal or so of water to my bill. Plan on 2x 30 gal water changes a month so what ever salt will cost. If you are looking to minimize you cost for a nice sized tank I think going with a wide shallow tank would be the way to go. You could go with lower wattage lights. Using any kind of propellar pump will help. They use less power per gallon pumped.
 
Wazzel

Thank you for your direct response. I Belive not only on the usage of better pumps but on cutting back alot of excess plumbing people have on there aquariums would help over all. This is why I have decided to go with a sumpless tank using tunze products in the aquarium instead of in a cabinet below.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7765926#post7765926 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by jciotti
Wazzel

Thank you for your direct response. I Belive not only on the usage of better pumps but on cutting back alot of excess plumbing people have on there aquariums would help over all. This is why I have decided to go with a sumpless tank using tunze products in the aquarium instead of in a cabinet below.

How big of a tank you going?


Generally, HOB skimmers suck, so a sump is a good choice just for that. I'm running a maxijet for a sump return, so energ isnt bad/
 
The tank dimension are 36"x24"x24" so a rough 90 gallons. I have debated on ordering it in at 30" deep instead of the standard 24" for more room of equipment. I will be using a Tunze DOC Skimmer 9010, Tunze COMLINE Calcium Automat, 3170,Comline Filter 3166, Two Tunze Streams 6100 on a multi controler and I'm going to light it with a 36" PFO Solaris L.E.D fixture. I won't mind seeing the equipment in the aquarium as I feel it will take up just as much room as an over flow box. With a little aquascaping im sure it wont be an eye sore.
 
and you're asking how to save money? That stuff will take up WAY more room than an overflow box. My overflow box takes up 36" by 1" by 4". Tiny.
 
around 500+ a month ........30 or so on food......80 on water and the rest is electric and additives.
 
$500/month. WOW. That's a monthly payment on a small BMW.

I thought I was bad spending about $100-$120 a month on my tank, but then my tank does not look like Chris's tank.
 
In the summer, I spend about $100-$120/mo extra.

I have roughly a 180 gallon tank.

Additives are about $5/mo or might be even less.

Salt $20/mo

Food $20

Electricity ~ $60-$70.

I am on a plan that gives a much lower rate for electricity at night than in the day time so I run my lights only at night.

I use 2 x 250W 10K with Lumenarcs. I would need three if it were not for the Lumenarcs. 2 x 6200 Tunzes with controllers. Mag 9 for return, 3 x Sedras 5000s for the skimmer and misc things like fans, an air pump, sea swirls and an ozone maker.
 
Yeah well here's a list of equipment in the house.

8 x 250w ice cap ballasts
1x150de HQI ballast
3x sedra 3500's
2x sedra 5000's
2x mag 12's
2x mag 7's
3x via aqua 3300's
3x tunze 6100 stream's
2x tunze 6200 stream's
1x Tunze 6060 stream
1x Tunze 7210 turbella
3xSeio 820's
1xseio 620
1x seio 1500
1x 1/3rd HP JBJ Chiller
1x 1/5th HP JBJChiller
1x 1/4 PC chiller
1xTunze wave box
4x110 vho's 2 seprate ballasts
2x sea swirls
3x 250w heaters
2x200w heaters
6x 55w pcs
and more but the rest all draw 15w or less.
 
Its not so much the money in its self but that fact that I think we can do things much more effcient. I think we waste alot of electrcity on nonsense.
 
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