My 500 + gallon system. Last 13 years to now. Build, Aquascaping & more. Lots of pics

Well I watched all 4 of the videos. Very informational, good work!

I actually ended up ordering the renew pro and the storm pro the next day. Once I seen how it all worked I was able to figure out this is the perfect AWC system for our setup. And since the storm was made to work with the renew I picked that up too because we needed an ATO setup as well. The fedex package should be here tomorrow.

What did you get me into Scott??? :lmao::lmao::thumbsup:
 
Well I watched all 4 of the videos. Very informational, good work!

I actually ended up ordering the renew pro and the storm pro the next day. Once I seen how it all worked I was able to figure out this is the perfect AWC system for our setup. And since the storm was made to work with the renew I picked that up too because we needed an ATO setup as well. The fedex package should be here tomorrow.

What did you get me into Scott??? :lmao::lmao::thumbsup:

You will love the Renew! It is hands down the best AWC solution ever made! I can't wait to hear what you think once you get it setup! Make sure you let the guys at Genesis know that the video helped you in your decision making!
 
I have been involved in a cylinder tank install for one of Jim's customers. I was in charge of the plumbing and spec'ing in the Apex controller and installing it. We filled the tank a week ago and had it running just on the Tunze's.

Just got through building the mounting board for the customers new Apex. As you can probably tell, this is the brand new Apex model. I think I actually had one of the first ones shipped as I got this over a week ago. It's not what you know, it's who you know.. :thumbsup:

We spent yesterday getting the sump up and running along with the rest of the plumbed in components on their new cylinder tank. The tank is 36" diameter and 42" tall. The Apex is all programmed and ready to go and waiting to be put in. I just need to calibrate the probes. This board has magnets on the back upper and lower point and it will simply stick to their steel stand below the tank. The magnets are each rated at 70 pounds of sticking force so they will be plenty powerful to hold the board in place.

The virtual aquarium setup on my floor while I was doing the programming.
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Finished mounting board ready to be installed at the customers next week. The 4 black bracket looking things towards the top are for the Tunze interfaces for the 4 Tunze 6255's that will be Apex controlled. Those are already on the tank running on their built in controller so I will clip those in and connect them to one of the VDM's when I put the Apex in later next week.
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In the sump shed outside will be a PM1 module so we have I/O ports out there for the breakout box. There will be the ALD module with 3 sensors. One for below the chiller which is in a dedicated enclosure in the shed with ventilation for both the fans intake and outlet. There will be a sensor below the return pump and another below the tank. The wires between the tank and the sump shed run through 1.5" flex PVC that we installed in the ground from the house to the shed alongside the return and drain lines. There will also be an EB8 and an EB4 to control the pump, chiller, heaters, skimmer, shed fans, UV sterilizer, ATO pump etc. I designed a custom 25'ish gallon ATO tank which will be ready tomorrow. The lights on the tank are going to be nine 14" Reef Brite XHO's also controlled by the Apex. Those won't go in until her cabinet guy finishes the canopy and tank stand skin.


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The Tunze's are next to impossible to see against the black overflow but these are custom mounted with the cables going in through bulkheads in the overflow.
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I am sure that's one happy customer

Going to be a reef or fowlr

She's pretty into the tank. Excited is an understatement and she's very keen on the controller and all the other details. It will be a mixed reef. Mostly soft corals with some LPS. Hopefully for Jim's sake, they won't get sucked into SPS as coraline growth management will be a nightmare in this tank if he has to chase Ca and Alk.
 
Just finished up with the Apex install on the customers cylinder tank. Still need to install the LED lights once they get their canopy done. Also need to clean up the wires in the sump shed. I was too tired to monkey with that today. I will do that when I go back to install the LED's once their canopy is done.

All went well though other than some interesting network issues due to their crazy WiFi setup. Their IT guy had to install a WiFi bridge due to the way their network is setup. Their Wifi is setup like a hotel where you connect to the WiFi then have to log into it through a web page to gain access to the network. It's not your typical WPA secure connection like most home WiFi networks. Instead we used a crazy WiFi bridge with a 2' tall antenna and set a static IP with a direct connection to their firewall. Kind of a pain as it kept me onsite for a couple extra hours while we worked through their network issues to get the Apex online and reconnected to Fusion. It would have been nice to use the Apex's integrated WiFi but their secure connections prevented that. Other than that, all went well and the system is now running off the Apex. Some pictures of today's carnage.


The controller board I made attaches to the steel stand with magnets. You can see the WiFi antenna on the right side of the controller board.
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Looks good Scott they couldn't use a power Ethernet connect and get rid of the whole wifi problem.


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That's one of Apex's biggest weaknesses, the need to connect to the Internet to talk to Fusion. I have run into this several times such as in hospitals where NO Wifi is permitted and there is no nearby Internet connection available. I actually had to bring the Apex unit home with me so I could connect it to the Internet and program it from here, then bring the unit back to customer prem and re-install it.

It would be much better to have the Fusion stuff downloadable like an app so I could bring a laptop on-site and program the Apex stuff from there with no external Internet connection required. Then all I would have to do is keep the app on my laptop up-to-date when connected to the Internet.

Dave.M
 
Looks good Scott they couldn't use a power Ethernet connect and get rid of the whole wifi problem.


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Yes and no.. We could have but with large homes and multiple breaker panels, that would only have worked if the security room as on the same panel as the aquarium circuit. It still would have needed special configuration at the firewalls to allow the Apex access to the outside world. This would have also required the MAC address of the Apex which they couldn't see from their firewalls. Not sure why the tech said he wouldn't be able to get the MAC address from the Firewall but apparently there are 2 firewalls the Apex has to go through. The bridge was the easiest method for him and he had one on hand. The good thing is that this is not a consumer grade bridge. It's an enterprise class bridge like those you would find in a hotel. From my aspect, the fastest method to get this thing online was the preferred method since I was stuck there waiting for him to address the issues. I had no idea going into what their WiFi connection setup was. It wasn't until I called in that morning before heading onsite that I learned of the potential nightmare. It was at that point that I requested he be onsite when I was doing the install so as to address any potential issues on their network side so as to make my job as efficient and timely as possible.

That's one of Apex's biggest weaknesses, the need to connect to the Internet to talk to Fusion. I have run into this several times such as in hospitals where NO Wifi is permitted and there is no nearby Internet connection available. I actually had to bring the Apex unit home with me so I could connect it to the Internet and program it from here, then bring the unit back to customer prem and re-install it.

It would be much better to have the Fusion stuff downloadable like an app so I could bring a laptop on-site and program the Apex stuff from there with no external Internet connection required. Then all I would have to do is keep the app on my laptop up-to-date when connected to the Internet.

Dave.M

In the case of a standalone system, you could set a static IP on the Apex and then use a laptop with a crossover cable and a static IP. Then direct connect to the Apex using the native web interface to program it onsite. That or use static IP's and a hub/switch between the Apex and the laptop. From my aspect, it was much easier setting this thing up in advance from the comfort of my own home. Any controller installs that I do are done in advance so i can test everything well before going on site. That way I minimize my time onsite. Besides, it's much more fun programming these kinds of things in the comfort of your own home with a cold beer in front of you. :beer:


Top notch looking installation!Obviously a lot of thought went into the planning.


Thank you very much! It did take quite a bit of planning. Fortunately this isn't my first rodeo and everything from the tank install to the controller install went without any real issues and not a single leak. Granted, I probably killed a lot of brain cells racking my brains during the planning stages. While I was only a "subcontractor" on this install, I'm the one who designed all the plumbing, sump, ATO tank and controller system. That including making all the component lists including the pumps, heaters chiller, fittings, controller components, cables etc. I think we only came up short on one 1.5" elbow and needed a couple extra union ball valves as I made an error gluing threaded fittings into the wrong side of the valves for the return pump. The damn 100*+ heat of the day made me stupid while working on the sump stuff outside. :D
 
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From my aspect, it was much easier setting this thing up in advance from the comfort of my own home. Any controller installs that I do are done in advance so i can test everything well before going on site. That way I minimize my time onsite. Besides, it's much more fun programming these kinds of things in the comfort of your own home with a cold beer in front of you.
Absolutely agree, but when you need to change something, like reprogram outlets on an Energy Bar that means taking down whatever is connected for the amount of time it takes to bring the unit home, etc.

I haven't tried the static IP idea. I didn't know that was possible. Thx.

Dave.M
 
I just spent the last three days reading through this thread. I'd like to think I just gained a ton of knowledge! Now hopefully I retain it... :beer: Awesome progress and information you have provided the community here. Thanks!
 
I just spent the last three days reading through this thread. I'd like to think I just gained a ton of knowledge! Now hopefully I retain it... :beer: Awesome progress and information you have provided the community here. Thanks!

Thank you very much!
 
I got a text from the customer this morning. She was very happy with how the tank is looking and running. Jim put a couple yellow tail damsels in there yesterday. Jim also met with the cabinet guy. The stand covering and canopy should be done in about 4-6 weeks at which point the lights will go on. The new Apex has been running flawlessly. I have been monitoring the system daily via Fusion to see the ATO frequency and chiller frequency. Evaporation has been very minimal which I attribute to the covered sump and the cover over the display. The display cover will have to be removed once the canopy goes on which will increase evaporation substantially.
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I figured I would do a bit of an update on my tank as well as some other stuff. This one won't be about my corals which are all doing great. Instead it will be about other stuff which some might find interesting. As most of you know, I am a long time Apex user and have used Neptune equipment for over 20 years. Obviously I love their products and with good reason. You also know I work with Royal Exclusiv and support people from all over the globe with the skimmers, pumps and in some cases, 0-10 controlled pumps which presents controller related issues. With that kind of trouble shooting, it helps to be familiar with the different controllers and their programming logic.

What many of you aren't aware of is that I am now also moonlighting for GHL USA.. GHL has now moved it's east coast warehouse to the Royal Exclusiv facility my Ft. Myers along with Fauna Marin. Marco and I along with Marco's wife have taken up a role as part of the support and logistics team. With that comes learning another great controller. A couple months ago I added a fully packaged latest and greatest Profilux 3 to my system which runs in parallel to my Apex. While the Profilux uses a completely different approach for programming logic and is more menu driven and not code based at all, It's an extremely capable controller and absolutely rock solid. Given the extensive nature of my control over my system and the number of outlets and modules required to run my system, I don't see myself switching from the Apex anytime soon but I really do like the Profilux just as I do my Apex.

With this new partnership between Royal Exclusiv, GHL and Fauna Marin, at MACNA this year, we will be partnering/sharing a 10'x50' booth though they are now trying to change that to a 20'x20' booth which would make much more sense since we plan on having a reef setup and demo'ing the full system/solution including Dreambox, Bubble King Skimmer, RD3 return pump, RE dosing containers along with the GHL Profilux, Mitra LED's, GHL doser and Fauna supplements.

On my display refugium, I ran a Maxspect Razor for the last few years. It was a decent light for that purpose but not great. I recently replaced that light with a GHL Mitra 6200HV and wow.. That light is truly amazing. Having run the Kessils for the last couple years and the Reeftech's before that, I was absolutely amazed with the control the Mitra's give you over the spectrum and their 8 channels of LED's which are all individually controllable from the Profilux interface as well as the Mitra Interface. If I had the money, I would serious consider replacing all my Kessils with these Mitra's but at the same time, I don't want to go broke and the Kessils are working great. It just would be great to gain the extra color channels to bring out colors in my corals that are otherwise not seen. That said, I am considering adding several GHL Mitra Sumo strips to my light rack so I gain the extra colors and have that individual control over them. The Sumo's like their big brothers are controllable through the Profilux interface and will allow me full control over the individual channels and as such would work great as supplemental lighting to gain that additional pop I am after. We will see where that goes in the not so distant future.

Given my thirst for technology and the fact that I support people with a wide range of controllers, I decided to buy a Cerebra since the cost was negligible and inevitably I would be helping somebody some day who has one. It arrived yesterday and I wasted no time setting it up as a standalone controller on my system. While I won't get into all the details and concerns, I will say that this controller has a LONG way to go before its even remotely close to the competition. While their approach is a neat idea, it's not without its problems and I will just leave it at that as I don't want to disparage anybody let alone another product that is new to market.

Anyhow, here are some pictures. I will try to do an update on the rest of the tank and most particularly the corals sometime this weekend.

Cerebra and Proflilux touch display on my display refugium.
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Profilux 3.1T ex ultimate.
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And my trusty Apex display that will soon be replaced with the 7 Fire Tablet once my flush mount bezel is done after which the display will be relocated to my life support shed to and used to monitor stuff in there.
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Some updated pictures. First some tank shots. This is the office side.

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My big BTA..
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A look down the length of the tank from the short side.
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The living room side. Damn I need some filters for the picture color.
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Time for some growth shots..

This was taken Jan 16th.

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These were taken March 5th.

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Taken 4/11
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Taken 5/11.
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Taken Today.
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Taken Jan 16th

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March 5th
The birdsnest in the background has grown like crazy and the coral in the foreground has grown well too.

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Taken 4/11
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Taken 5/11.
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Taken today. Note that I fragged a 6" chunk off the birdsnest as it was growing into nearby corals.
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