My CBB Died :(

chimmike said:
Honestly, I was surprised that I did not have any major cycle of any sort. No ammonia, nitrates, or nitrites appeared at all
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I'm definitely not a nitrogen cycle expert, far from it...but isn't it true that if you don't see a huge ammonia spike, you have to ADD one? That will kick start the cycle. Otherwise, the tank isn't actually 'cycled' yet. Just a thought.
 
Uh oh here comes the tang police. Dude, this is the one thing I dislike about this site. A bunch of I told you so's and I would of never's. Sorry to hear about your loss but keep trying. If I would have listen to most of these guys I would still only have live rock in my tank. Just saying. But 51 percent of the people here rock. The others, well you'll see. Instead of telling you some helpful ideas they'll shoot ya down. Makes me thirsty just thinking bout it.
 
dudebro42 said:
Uh oh here comes the tang police. Dude, this is the one thing I dislike about this site. A bunch of I told you so's and I would of never's. Sorry to hear about your loss but keep trying. If I would have listen to most of these guys I would still only have live rock in my tank. Just saying. But 51 percent of the people here rock. The others, well you'll see. Instead of telling you some helpful ideas they'll shoot ya down. Makes me thirsty just thinking bout it.
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Dude, what are you talking about bro?

Seriously, what does a derogatory comment about the tang police have ANYTHING to do with this? Nobody is knocking him, just trying to help him not repeat what just happened to him. I believe I read quite a few 'helpful ideas' here...your helpful tip of 'keep trying' after a fish just died as we try to figure out why in a tank that is brand new and might not be cycled? THAT'S real helpful advice. More like bad husbandry. And did you just create a NEW club? I vote myself president of the 51% club!!! And I called it first! :celeb2: Southnash is DEFINITELY in the 49% club. :beer:
 
Camryn1 said:
One possibility: I know from my days of keeping Freshwater cichlids that bloodworms fed en masse can actually compact into a wad inside their gut and it was enough to kill a healthy Discus cichlid of mine when one at an entire cube!
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This could explain why it didn't seem too eager to eat the day before it died.

regardless, it's over now.

No tangs here. I highly doubt I'll do any kind of tang in this setup. If I do, it'll be an appropriate bristletooth maybe a few months down the road.
 
look. I'm not gonna argue with you barfly. People on here that know me know I'm a decent guy and I'll leave it at that. You can disagree with my tank purchase and my philosophy all you like, that's your right.
 
I think we can all agree a CBB is a very delicate fish. Also an aquarium 2 weeks old is not suitable for any fish.

I have a strong opinion about cycling an aquarium. Most people believe a cycle is when the nitrogen cycle goes in full swing from ammonia to nitrite to nitrate. However, a fully cycled aquarium should be considered one that has been given enough time colonize enough bacteria to be able to fluctuate with the nutrient loads that go up and down in a new tank. Even though you saw no rise in ammonia, that doesn't mean your over all water chemistry is stable.

Please do not take my critism as negative, but see my perspective as being pro active against the death of fish we have no right to even remove from the wild. Let's give them the best home possible if we must have them.
 
Start with a easy fish first... Not a CBB..

Also if you never had a spike (I know you used "cycled" rock, sand) but you should MAKE your system cycle. Put a raw shrimp in the tank & then measure your parameters. also you might want to check your test kits!
 
chimmike said:
look. I'm not gonna argue with you barfly. People on here that know me know I'm a decent guy and I'll leave it at that. You can disagree with my tank purchase and my philosophy all you like, that's your right.
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No argument here and I'm certain you are a great guy. I have seen many example of this on the forums. Why you have made this personal is beyond me. As far as the gc thing goes, we can agree to disagree. We are definitely on opposite ends of that spectrum.

As for the putting a difficult to keep fish in a brand new setup, that is not good husbandry and is just plain wrong. Even worse is people telling you to just keep adding more fish. Fine, you don't like my posting style, I get it. The last thing I would want to happen is some newbie go out and do this because, well, chimmike did it. I would rather have someone tell me that I'm doing something wrong, rather than sit by and watch me do something wrong and fail. I was very lucky when I first got into reefing. My mentor was a marine biologist with many, many years of experience in reef keeping. There were no forums so I was lucky in that I was not exposed to some of the, shall we say, not so good advice that can be found on these and other forums.


No matter how much research is available, people will do what they want when stocking their tanks. I would still love to see any info from a reputable source that agrees that a CBB is OK to add to an immature and unestablished aquarium. I also cautioned you about adding the other fish you were saying you were going to add. I did so to try and save you from experiencing another livestock loss. That's what I would expect someone who has my back to do, not tell me to keep adding more fish.
 
spicytuna said:
I think we can all agree a CBB is a very delicate fish. Also an aquarium 2 weeks old is not suitable for any fish.

I have a strong opinion about cycling an aquarium. Most people believe a cycle is when the nitrogen cycle goes in full swing from ammonia to nitrite to nitrate. However, a fully cycled aquarium should be considered one that has been given enough time colonize enough bacteria to be able to fluctuate with the nutrient loads that go up and down in a new tank. Even though you saw no rise in ammonia, that doesn't mean your over all water chemistry is stable.

Please do not take my critism as negative, but see my perspective as being pro active against the death of fish we have no right to even remove from the wild. Let's give them the best home possible if we must have them.
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Very well stated!

southnash said:
Start with a easy fish first... Not a CBB..

Also if you never had a spike (I know you used "cycled" rock, sand) but you should MAKE your system cycle. Put a raw shrimp in the tank & then measure your parameters. also you might want to check your test kits!
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More great advice.

UnlcleLuke said:
This.

Or maybe he don't like the glasscages tank as much as people on here. I keed.
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This just made me PML :lmao:
 
I'm going to have to agree for the most part with barfly in the case of a CBB. Everyone knows how picky they can be. Almost like a mandarin goby they should be reserved for a more established tank so to provide more natural food to graze on. i.e. featherdusters, pods, aptaisa and the like. I would wait a year before venturing into these type. That is NOT to say it can not be done before hand. There are many cases of success but if you are playing the odds chances are of greater success when they are provided more natural diet while adding your home made brew of feed to the aquarium. Personally I don't get into what is right and wrong I really don't care but if you want a better chance at success you should wait.
 
Barfly, is there another thread that you are talking about along with this current one?

I'm just confused... not a single reply told Mike to add a fish and definately no one said add another CBB...
 
Camryn1 said:
Barfly, is there another thread that you are talking about along with this current one?

I'm just confused... not a single reply told Mike to add a fish and definately no one said add another CBB...
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dudebro42 said:
A bunch of I told you so's and I would of never's. Sorry to hear about your loss but keep trying. If I would have listen to most of these guys I would still only have live rock in my tank.
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Seems clear to me that he is advocating for chimmike to keep adding fish.
 
Barfly said:
I would rather have someone tell me that I'm doing something wrong, rather than sit by and watch me do something wrong and fail.
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If in fact your water quality is correct and cycled complete. I would personally add a very hearty fish like a damsel type to see how he fairs for a month. Keep checking your water quality and respond accordingly. Sorry there is no perfect answer to any situation. This is what I would do if it were me. Your at 3weeks -Ish on a new tank? I would be cautious for now and go slow. Good luck
 
I'm not considering another CBB right now. I'm a little more weary that I was before about them. All reports I had read said that if they eat at the LFS you've got a much higher probability of success.

Honestly, I'm going to avoid feeding bloodworms to anything I add in the future mainly because what Camryn said concerns me, that could legitimately have contributed.

Granted, I have a nil pod population because he ate many of them. Going to be stocking pods in my better-filled fuge and DT as well.
 
Dyraxe said:
If in fact your water quality is correct and cycled complete. I would personally add a very hearty fish like a damsel type to see how he fairs for a month. Keep checking your water quality and respond accordingly. Sorry there is no perfect answer to any situation. This is what I would do if it were me. Your at 3weeks -Ish on a new tank? I would be cautious for now and go slow. Good luck
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I was thinking a clown goby or something. While damsels and chromis are hardy, I don't want an aggressive damsel with the stocking plans I have, and I just plain don't like chromis, haha.
 
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