My favorite fish tank.

[davelin315]

It's not like he agrees with the legal system either... I don't want to put words in his mouth, but I'm pretty sure he doesn't agree with murderers getting off the hook or child abusers getting a slap on the wrist, while at the same time condoning the death sentence for people who put fish in small tanks.

Nobody is hung as capital punishment anymore... that's why it's become a figure of speech. It's not like saying someone "should be killed by lethal injection"

Sorry go off on a tangent but this comment is also kind of out there... along with your logic

The point was that the life of a person should never be valued less than the life of a fish, even jesting. There's plenty of people who deserve to lose their lives for the crimes they committed, at least in my opinion, and there's plenty that don't. There's true evil out there and because of the legal system it doesn't get punished. And, by the way, people do get hung still, maybe not here in the US, but there is still death by hanging in many countries around the world. Hopefully that logic makes sense to you.

If it's the logic behind my assertion that the fish weren't raised in that tank, I look at what I see and made a guess based on that. The evidence doesn't add up to those fish being raised in that tank.

 

[WuHT]

Personally I don't like big fish in small tanks because it reminds me of a seafood tank, but I cannot deny the outward health of the fish.



Actually i believe the emperor and the clarkii clown he's had for 2 years, which considering the emperor actually changed, showed that he either had an exceptionally tolerant emperor, or that size isn't a limiting factor when it comes to transformation from juvenile to adult. Yes, he's probably lost powder blue, brown, occ clowns, raccoon, heniochus, original blue face, though (I wasted about 15 minutes sifting through his vids to make sure i didnt come off as a 1-vid judgemental guy).

What I'm surprised is, at this close quarters, there are basically no visible fin damage due to nipping/aggression, so either his fish are lazy, or that true aggression is sub-dued in his stocking method.

Let's say, all the fish survive another year, will there be differing opinions? And what if there was a tank like this in north america, would opinions differ?

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I hate quoting evilspaz.. but what makes him qualified to determine if the fish looks "sad"? That's like me saying his dog looks unhappy when dressed up.

 

[evilspaz]

Personally I don't like big fish in small tanks because it reminds me of a seafood tank, but I cannot deny the outward health of the fish.



Actually i believe the emperor and the clarkii clown he's had for 2 years, which considering the emperor actually changed, showed that he either had an exceptionally tolerant emperor, or that size isn't a limiting factor when it comes to transformation from juvenile to adult. Yes, he's probably lost powder blue, brown, occ clowns, raccoon, heniochus, original blue face, though (I wasted about 15 minutes sifting through his vids to make sure i didnt come off as a 1-vid judgemental guy).

What I'm surprised is, at this close quarters, there are basically no visible fin damage due to nipping/aggression, so either his fish are lazy, or that true aggression is sub-dued in his stocking method.

Let's say, all the fish survive another year, will there be differing opinions? And what if there was a tank like this in north america, would opinions differ?

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I hate quoting evilspaz.. but what makes him qualified to determine if the fish looks "sad"? That's like me saying his dog looks unhappy when dressed up.

- I don’t even know how someone who like's fish can say "They look so happy". It doesn’t matter where this tank is located anyone who keeps marine aquaria can see this is not right. What do you mean what makes me "qualified" its a message board people state there OPNION. I would never play dress up with my dog.

 

[tcmfish]

He has had two emps. That big one with the streamer was introduced like that.

 

[iFrag]

I think that its cruel that he has such nice fish in a 30g tank but is it really neglect if the fish all look healthy and seem to be doing good? I think there are many ways of looking at this and it truly changed the way I look at "Can I keep 1 tang in a 30g tank"...

 

[Sardaukar]

Personally I don't like big fish in small tanks because it reminds me of a seafood tank, but I cannot deny the outward health of the fish.



Actually i believe the emperor and the clarkii clown he's had for 2 years, which considering the emperor actually changed, showed that he either had an exceptionally tolerant emperor, or that size isn't a limiting factor when it comes to transformation from juvenile to adult. Yes, he's probably lost powder blue, brown, occ clowns, raccoon, heniochus, original blue face, though (I wasted about 15 minutes sifting through his vids to make sure i didnt come off as a 1-vid judgemental guy).

What I'm surprised is, at this close quarters, there are basically no visible fin damage due to nipping/aggression, so either his fish are lazy, or that true aggression is sub-dued in his stocking method.

Let's say, all the fish survive another year, will there be differing opinions? And what if there was a tank like this in north america, would opinions differ?

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I hate quoting evilspaz.. but what makes him qualified to determine if the fish looks "sad"? That's like me saying his dog looks unhappy when dressed up.

Or more likely is that those adult fish were all introduced right before the picture was taken. They all have that slowly-exploring-a-new-environment look to them that many fish seem to have right after added to a tank.

 

[WuHT]

Or more likely is that those adult fish were all introduced right before the picture was taken. They all have that slowly-exploring-a-new-environment look to them that many fish seem to have right after added to a tank.

Which is odd because some of the fish have been in there for at least a few months.

~ hmm i must have missed out on some vids because he has a LOT and the techno music was almost unbareable, but i did see a changing emperor at one point.. .but then again looking at some of the angel-morphing threads here, 1~2 years might be a little quick to have have a transformation resulting in his current adult emperor (would be pretty amazing though)

 

[tcmfish]

He has a vid introducing that big emp. I saw the vid with the changing emp too. None of the fish were just tossed in for the picture. That statement really gets me because where can you find all those fish at one time? (Not just talking about this tank) Also if you have all those fish chances are you have to have collected them over a period of time so they would be in other tanks and why would people take all their fish from all their tanks put them in a tank for a picture with the possibility of something that could go wrong, when they sometimes have rare or one of a kind fish? You just wouldn't do it, these are these peoples tanks.

 

[Cantonesefish]

The point was that the life of a person should never be valued less than the life of a fish, even jesting.

I think we're on the same page. But this is exactly your flaw in the argument. No one said human life should be valued less.

Think of it this way. Imagine the person on trial for keeping these fish. Spectators may be hoping for a harsh punishment, but after a long legal process and appeals, the fish guy may just end up getting a slap on the wrist, like what happens with your child abusers. Nobody says, "let's give this child abuser a slap on the wrist."

Someone desiring a harsh sentence for the fish keeper, would surely desire an even harsher sentence for the child abuser. Your logic is flawed because you are somehow assuming that the OT feels that the child abuser deserves a lesser sentence. Or to think of it another way, you are assuming that the OT agrees with the outcome of every trial in the U.S., and then are using this as a yardstick against which to judge his claim.