my house reef (211 g.)
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Iwan,
What salt do you use?
What salt do you use?
Lights Are Bright
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Iwan,
What salt do you use?
What salt do you use?
scarletknight06
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scarletknight06
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hahnmeister
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I know about the Zeovit method...but what is this 'bio' method he is using? Iwan? Beaut of a tank BTW. I am convinced now that my next tank will be T5 for sure.
TryTheChi
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I sure can - I was struggling to get NO3 to 0 before prodibio (PO4 was covered by rowaphos) and the readings are solidly 0 now even after I took off the super agressive deltec skimmer to see what would happen to the zoo plancton.
The effect of 0 NO3 was much better colouration in the sps, further boosted in colour and growth by Zeo CV and PIF.
My tank runs BB - but I have a MIneral Mud/aragonite MSB in the refugium section of the sump with chateo.
The UK has also been bitten by snake oils , usually after the US has sneezed
on them hehe. I'v tried all sorts of approaches (Minireef systematised, Tunze complete works, Miracle Mud only)- and am very please with this. The probiotic approach isnt new - just relatively new to reef keeping. This is my 4th marine tank - and its a joy - I'm even starting to relax a little with this approach - rather than worring about RTN STN etc, I cant wait to get a new coral and see it develop.
Early days for me of course - but Iwan's is a real inspiration - which I'm happy to emulate.
UK reefers generally look to the states for the latest developments because of the language - but the major significant and robust developments seem to be in continental europe - which is harder to engage with as they dont run thier forums in english. :furious:
IMO - at the end of the day - there is nothing lost in trying - and the possibility of benefits.
JME
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Re: Re: Zeostart 2
I sure can - I was struggling to get NO3 to 0 before prodibio (PO4 was covered by rowaphos) and the readings are solidly 0 now even after I took off the super agressive deltec skimmer to see what would happen to the zoo plancton.
The effect of 0 NO3 was much better colouration in the sps, further boosted in colour and growth by Zeo CV and PIF.
My tank runs BB - but I have a MIneral Mud/aragonite MSB in the refugium section of the sump with chateo.
The UK has also been bitten by snake oils , usually after the US has sneezed
on them hehe. I'v tried all sorts of approaches (Minireef systematised, Tunze complete works, Miracle Mud only)- and am very please with this. The probiotic approach isnt new - just relatively new to reef keeping. This is my 4th marine tank - and its a joy - I'm even starting to relax a little with this approach - rather than worring about RTN STN etc, I cant wait to get a new coral and see it develop.Early days for me of course - but Iwan's is a real inspiration - which I'm happy to emulate.
UK reefers generally look to the states for the latest developments because of the language - but the major significant and robust developments seem to be in continental europe - which is harder to engage with as they dont run thier forums in english. :furious:
IMO - at the end of the day - there is nothing lost in trying - and the possibility of benefits.
JME
SImon
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Re: Re: Re: Zeostart 2
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Thanks for an honest opinion. The reason the Prodibio strikes my interest so much is probably because it makes sense in theory. I've never really considered trying the Zeo products, mostly because of their high price and short shelf life, but the Prodibio products have them whipped in both of these areas.
Re: Re: Re: Zeostart 2
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=6581300#post6581300 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by TryTheChi
I sure can - I was struggling to get NO3 to 0 before prodibio (PO4 was covered by rowaphos) and the readings are solidly 0 now even after I took off the super agressive deltec skimmer to see what would happen to the zoo plancton.
The effect of 0 NO3 was much better colouration in the sps, further boosted in colour and growth by Zeo CV and PIF.
My tank runs BB - but I have a MIneral Mud/aragonite MSB in the refugium section of the sump with chateo.
The UK has also been bitten by snake oils , usually after the US has sneezed
Early days for me of course - but Iwan's is a real inspiration - which I'm happy to emulate.
UK reefers generally look to the states for the latest developments because of the language - but the major significant and robust developments seem to be in continental europe - which is harder to engage with as they dont run thier forums in english. :furious:
IMO - at the end of the day - there is nothing lost in trying - and the possibility of benefits.
JME
SImon
Thanks for an honest opinion. The reason the Prodibio strikes my interest so much is probably because it makes sense in theory. I've never really considered trying the Zeo products, mostly because of their high price and short shelf life, but the Prodibio products have them whipped in both of these areas.
TryTheChi
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Zeostart 2
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I agree - esp on the basic zeo 4 - zeo has some interesting food and nutrient products which are good value $$ wise - and are having an effect for me (again ealy days - but exciting ones)
IMO, although there are many variables - one has to compare the best one approach has over another, see which has the best results, evaluate the running and labour costs and give it your best shot.
Iwan's results are equal to the Zeo TOTQ IMO, therefore take the best from Zeo and Prodibio, cheaper &, less dosing intensive.
There again - Wayne Shang hasnt disclosed much about what/if he adds anything - and thats a top flight reef too
So you gonna try Prodi out?
Re: Re: Re: Re: Zeostart 2
I agree - esp on the basic zeo 4 - zeo has some interesting food and nutrient products which are good value $$ wise - and are having an effect for me (again ealy days - but exciting ones)
IMO, although there are many variables - one has to compare the best one approach has over another, see which has the best results, evaluate the running and labour costs and give it your best shot.
Iwan's results are equal to the Zeo TOTQ IMO, therefore take the best from Zeo and Prodibio, cheaper &, less dosing intensive.
There again - Wayne Shang hasnt disclosed much about what/if he adds anything - and thats a top flight reef too
So you gonna try Prodi out?
TryTheChi
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Travis
Zeo don't to my knowledge disclose contents of anything - which anoys some people, while the Prodi digest strains are on thier web site.
Suggest checking the use of Zeo Bac without the zeo rocks on thier web site - however from what I'v read and calculated- its cheaper and easier to use Prodi bac cultures . Both are probiotic methadologies.
Again JMO - I'v no personal experience of the Zeo basic 4, and no objections to Zeo basic 4 in principle. Infact zeolites are used in the radio active decontamination of Chernobyle - so theres a testimonial at the hard end! :smokin:
Simon
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Zeostart 2
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Didn't you basically start using both of these (prodi & Zeo) in the past couple of months?
If I remember correctly, you started with the Prodi and shortly thereafter started the zeo. I'm just wondering if you're results are more a result of the Prodibio, the Zeo, or both? Theoretically it could take 6 to 8 months alone just to realize the full benefits of the Prodibio bacteria and amino acids.
I'm considering it.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Zeostart 2
Didn't you basically start using both of these (prodi & Zeo) in the past couple of months?
If I remember correctly, you started with the Prodi and shortly thereafter started the zeo. I'm just wondering if you're results are more a result of the Prodibio, the Zeo, or both? Theoretically it could take 6 to 8 months alone just to realize the full benefits of the Prodibio bacteria and amino acids.
I'm considering it.
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