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Travis
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Re: decided to try prodibio
Re: decided to try prodibio
Which products did you order? If enough people become interested in this system someone might as well contact on of the US vendors to see if they will start stocking it. That would sure save the end user a LOT on shipping.
Re: decided to try prodibio
Which products did you order? If enough people become interested in this system someone might as well contact on of the US vendors to see if they will start stocking it. That would sure save the end user a LOT on shipping.
TryTheChi
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Re: decided to try prodibio
Re: decided to try prodibio
Nice one. How much of what did you order? Did you use the french company?
If you are on top of CA/ALH/PH and MG - I think you'll be very pleased. I notice growth and colouration development every day, even 70cm down under T5s.
Just added the 4th forthnightly coctail tonight. THe reef booster stops the skimmer due to the fatty content , so I use that as the opportunity to give it a good clean.
Suggest you keep an eye on that turf scrubber, as it may react to the very low nutirent cintent and decline.
Look forward to reports of your experience.
Re: decided to try prodibio
Nice one. How much of what did you order? Did you use the french company?
If you are on top of CA/ALH/PH and MG - I think you'll be very pleased. I notice growth and colouration development every day, even 70cm down under T5s.
Just added the 4th forthnightly coctail tonight. THe reef booster stops the skimmer due to the fatty content , so I use that as the opportunity to give it a good clean.
Suggest you keep an eye on that turf scrubber, as it may react to the very low nutirent cintent and decline.
Look forward to reports of your experience.
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As for Jeff Turner goes,he really knew his stuff.He was really into the coral spawning events,that took place in his system.I knew him when he had a warehouse,and selling corals there.He was and awesome tank builder.It's funny,because knowing Jeff Turner as for all these new products.As for the Zeo method,and Prodibio.His remarks would be......To run totally new system for 15 years.It was always "long turn" for final results on anything new.He would say,just stay with the basics.Last I heard he was just building tanks.You mentioned clams?Is he back in the coral business,if so please need to make contact with him.Any new web site.
TryTheChi
You have to be "exact" when dosing ZEO....You have to know total water volume,and that's hard to do with an existing system running.I think an expermint tank would be best to do.But not to play with these nuke products,when you have thousands of dollars in corals.But as for Zeo here again.I'm using AA,PFI,CV,Iron.and seeing good results.But.......just not the intense coloration.Yes it could be the lighting I'm using.I tried to use the Spur,but some LPS corals just don't like it.And it seems,it had a negative impact on my snails?Yes I lost a lot of them,and there was no over dose here.
But this thread is a good guys let's keep it all going here.Any new info here is great to read.I can relate to some of this,being the user of Zeo at one time.
TryTheChi
You have to be "exact" when dosing ZEO....You have to know total water volume,and that's hard to do with an existing system running.I think an expermint tank would be best to do.But not to play with these nuke products,when you have thousands of dollars in corals.But as for Zeo here again.I'm using AA,PFI,CV,Iron.and seeing good results.But.......just not the intense coloration.Yes it could be the lighting I'm using.I tried to use the Spur,but some LPS corals just don't like it.And it seems,it had a negative impact on my snails?Yes I lost a lot of them,and there was no over dose here.
But this thread is a good guys let's keep it all going here.Any new info here is great to read.I can relate to some of this,being the user of Zeo at one time.
Floridiot
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I'm actually quite familiar with this, which is why I started this thread: http://reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=755812 on the IceCap forum. Hopefully the guys (or Gals?) at IceCap will come through with something soon. I'm really liking the open topped aquarium look.
Floridiot
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I really like the T5 lighting so far. My frags that came from kmagyar are staying colored up nicely, and some frags I got from ebay are also starting to color up nicely under the T5s. With my open topped system, my water temp stays almost exactly 1.5F higher than the room's temperature too with no chiller. That's the part I really like.
I'm basically building my system the European way. Very energy efficient and all European equipment, with the exception of the MTC ProCal I just ordered. So far I am very pleased with this new reef. My only problem now is trying to catch a crab that is running amok.
I feel the Prodibio bacteria is something that would be hard to overdose, and should only help things. Kind of like adding Rid-X to a septic tank. Do it every month (or two weeks in this case) and you won't have any problems. I'm a little leery about the Prodibio ReefBooster, but I will give it a try. My entire tank is going to be stocked with aquacultured frags from fellow reefers, so I won't have too much money invested in corals in the unfortunate event something goes wrong.
I'm basically building my system the European way. Very energy efficient and all European equipment, with the exception of the MTC ProCal I just ordered. So far I am very pleased with this new reef. My only problem now is trying to catch a crab that is running amok.
I feel the Prodibio bacteria is something that would be hard to overdose, and should only help things. Kind of like adding Rid-X to a septic tank. Do it every month (or two weeks in this case) and you won't have any problems. I'm a little leery about the Prodibio ReefBooster, but I will give it a try. My entire tank is going to be stocked with aquacultured frags from fellow reefers, so I won't have too much money invested in corals in the unfortunate event something goes wrong.
TryTheChi
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Nice approach and with a couple of exceptions - thats my stocking plan too, mostly for environmental reasons, less impact on increasingly threatened reefs, less carbon used in transportation, greater survivability rates as the frags are adapted to tank life, and the satisfaction of watching small things grow large.
Environmental issues are high in many peoples awareness in western europe now, and EU policy is forcing governments to take action on avoidable waste. So when visitors see the tank - first go wow! then say ' thats a bad thing you are doing' they are pleasantly surprised that the reef is almost entirely British - hehe.
The other element is energy consumption of all the kit. I'v managed to get it down to 649 watts peak through choosing the lowest wattage equipment but even this is considered an issue. Luckily we can sign up to a green energy plan where the profits are reinvested in non nuclear carbon neutral generation - so theres a little more guilt aswaged.
The next step is to install a mini wind mill to the chimney - which feeds the national grid, and then climate change will be absolutely nothing to do with my reef -
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TryTheChi
I see where you are using the Start 2 from Zeo.I've have it and used it.It's supposed to be safer than Start 1.But some folks still had problems even with it.Thinning tips,and STN in some corals.What I remember from the Zeo method.I really helps a lot of corals,as for growth and coloration.But it was also brought up,dependson the oceans these corals come from.It didn't show the same results in ALL your corals.Have you noticed with using the Prodibio a positive impact on all your corals?That was a slight problem with the Zeo stuff also.It all depend on the coral.
I see where you are using the Start 2 from Zeo.I've have it and used it.It's supposed to be safer than Start 1.But some folks still had problems even with it.Thinning tips,and STN in some corals.What I remember from the Zeo method.I really helps a lot of corals,as for growth and coloration.But it was also brought up,dependson the oceans these corals come from.It didn't show the same results in ALL your corals.Have you noticed with using the Prodibio a positive impact on all your corals?That was a slight problem with the Zeo stuff also.It all depend on the coral.
TryTheChi
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Thanks for Start 2 background info. Iwan recommends 1ml/100l.
So far, the Prodibio has induced different reactions in different corals - the first to take off colour and growth wise where the pink (then brown) hysterix, various monti digitas, then pocis, then plating montis, then red and blue acoporas. A green blue tiped acro has shown very little reaction as has the yellow scroll - no problems with these - just static. Color wise so far the best results have been from the plating montis and the pink hysterix. Growth wise the best so far is from digitas and the historix. I'v fragged the historix by accident a few times and epoxyied the little end bits in a range of positions and they take off really fast. As I used CV at week 4 - some of this may be down to that....?
I have one purple digita at the bottom of the tank and an accidental frag 2 inches from the top - and both are growing well. Infact the grow rate is rapid I worry about STN on the white bits, then relax when the tissue catches up.
My wild caught porities (xmas tree worm rock) polips have not lightened at all, although its is growing to colonise the exopy nicely.
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Simon
Yes the AA and the CV has a direct impact on growth and color.I've been using both of these for about 4 months.And there been great improvement.
Also when dosing your AA do it when the lights are off.Don't know why,other than a lot of corals are extending their polyps more when lights are off.Was told it doesn't matter when you are using the CV stuff.Just wanted to pass this on to you,from what I read.And it works for me.Where I have a lot of acros,and polyps will explode at night time conditions.
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Curt
Yes the AA and the CV has a direct impact on growth and color.I've been using both of these for about 4 months.And there been great improvement.
Also when dosing your AA do it when the lights are off.Don't know why,other than a lot of corals are extending their polyps more when lights are off.Was told it doesn't matter when you are using the CV stuff.Just wanted to pass this on to you,from what I read.And it works for me.Where I have a lot of acros,and polyps will explode at night time conditions.
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Curt
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Simon
Forgot to ask you,would like to hear from Iwan on this one.When using Zeo Kalkwasser wasn't used in a Zeovit system for some reason?But can you use it with Prodibio theory?The reason I use the Kalk just to maintain my PH levels.If not it takes a nose dive.And any system runs better in the 8.3 range for sure.And the only way to maintain this is with Kalk.So is Prodibio is excepted with Kalk?Where Zeo wasn't?I would really like to hear his input on this?
Curt
Forgot to ask you,would like to hear from Iwan on this one.When using Zeo Kalkwasser wasn't used in a Zeovit system for some reason?But can you use it with Prodibio theory?The reason I use the Kalk just to maintain my PH levels.If not it takes a nose dive.And any system runs better in the 8.3 range for sure.And the only way to maintain this is with Kalk.So is Prodibio is excepted with Kalk?Where Zeo wasn't?I would really like to hear his input on this?
Curt
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Sorry for that about the Kalkwasser post.Being this thread is so long,and back tracked on some reading here.I see where PH levels aren't a issue here.As his is running at 8.1.And he doesn't dose any Kalkwasser that I found.
Curt
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Travis
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I remember reading that you shouldn't use kalk with ZEO because it can precipitate phosphates onto the substrates and then those phosphates can be leeched out (stored pools) at a later time. I'm guessing it isn't that you "can't" run kalk with either of these methods but since both of them seem to have 0 PO4 as the end result, not using kalk would be one way to help acheive that.
FWIW, I only use a calcium reactor on my tank and it runs at PH 8.3 during the day and 8.2 at night. But I also run my alk around 10 so that helps with the PH.
Iwan, do you need to keep the alk very low around 6.5-7.5 with Prodibio as they do with ZEO?
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Travis
That was a huge problem with me with Zeo.My PH would drop to 7.9 at night.And was lucky to even hit 8.1 with lights on.Because they Zeo wanted the DKH at 8.But the growth just wasn't there.But yet when Kalk is added,growth took off then.Because I was then able to run a higher PH 8.2 TO 8.3 range.And it made a big difference in growth.Yet in Iwan tank growth isn't and issue of 7.9 max out at 8.1.And has huge growth and color to boot ! Where on the other hand, I had the complete different effect.Again maybe here his deep sand bed of 4 inches,plays an important role?
That was a huge problem with me with Zeo.My PH would drop to 7.9 at night.And was lucky to even hit 8.1 with lights on.Because they Zeo wanted the DKH at 8.But the growth just wasn't there.But yet when Kalk is added,growth took off then.Because I was then able to run a higher PH 8.2 TO 8.3 range.And it made a big difference in growth.Yet in Iwan tank growth isn't and issue of 7.9 max out at 8.1.And has huge growth and color to boot ! Where on the other hand, I had the complete different effect.Again maybe here his deep sand bed of 4 inches,plays an important role?
TryTheChi
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Interesting to see how growth will vary now I'v brought my dkh from 10 to 8 inline with zeo recomendations. PH is 8.1 just before lights on and seems to have stayed that way with dkh at 8. Light time PH is 8.3
I dont use kalkwasser, just CA reactor 24/7 and the effluent drips into an aragonite MSB in the sump, which I feel buffers the tank. THere must be huge acidification pressures with the bac cultures working in overdrive, so I may add more agagonite to the sump.
I'd love to have aragonite in the main tank for asthetic reasons but I prefer to syphon out the detritus on the BB ( white perspex bottom doesnt look too bad)
I only took the dkh down last week but the prodibio effect took place when dkh was steady at 10.2 so in my experience Prodi is tollerant of higher dkh .
I dont use kalkwasser, just CA reactor 24/7 and the effluent drips into an aragonite MSB in the sump, which I feel buffers the tank. THere must be huge acidification pressures with the bac cultures working in overdrive, so I may add more agagonite to the sump.
I'd love to have aragonite in the main tank for asthetic reasons but I prefer to syphon out the detritus on the BB ( white perspex bottom doesnt look too bad)
I only took the dkh down last week but the prodibio effect took place when dkh was steady at 10.2 so in my experience Prodi is tollerant of higher dkh .
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