TryTheChi
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Hi einstien
Let me put your mind at rest. You are not the first person to wonder if there is a commercial interest in all/some of this on my part. .I do not I have a full time, very well paid, senior position in the UK in a government funded sector, with a super pension scheme and do not have the need to scratch a few $ here or there from anything to do with these.
For me - this is an interesting and enjoyable and stress relieving hobby, made even more enjoyable when I discover something as valuable as this thread.
You may have noticed I was banned from Zeoland because of an allegation that I had commercial interest in Prodibio. The fact is the UK importer of Prodibio is a sponsor of Zeoland - easily checked - but an example of 'shoot from the hip' commercial sensitivity that does more harm than good to the hobbyist. You will also note, that despite that, I continue to refer to the value of Zeo products. Why? Because IME, the non ZB4 elements work. I am not concerned with who makes profit out of what ââ"šÂ¬Ã¢â‚¬Å“ only the efficacy and cost effectiveness - infact I freely give people links to where they can get the products at the cheapest rates. Zeo products are German incidentally - more on that later. Prodi is French and Nightsun is Swiss. None are British.
The money making opportunity I let Iwan know about was in relation to selling the copyright to his tank images to a British RO/DI company. I got nothing out of making the link between them, other than I hope Iwan does, as a small way to say thank you to him spending the time and effort of sharing his methods and results with the english speaking world.
I personally (my reef I should say) has benefited at lot from his help. Maybe I am too 'helpful' on this thread by providing summaries, calculations and links.....? I am happy to stop doing this if people want me to and just continue to have PM correspondence with Iwan if I need further help. Please do let me know - I wont be offended. Really.
On an amateur anthropological note - I have noticed is that it is US americans who ask questions about commercial interest, or worse make accusations without checking easily verifiable facts - (the zeoland eg). Maybe that has something to do with the environment you guys have to live in? Please donââ"šÂ¬Ã¢"žÂ¢t take this as a generalisation US friends, because many many US reefers are friendly open and helpful, but it seems that you are constantly exposed to 'snake oils', and this must make people wary.
But, pause for a moment and reflect on where the majority of really solid reefing developments have emerged from? The German speaking world. Yes, there are many US reefers who have made very valuable contributions too - but consider the origins of most of the proven technologies and approaches. I do therefore think it is understandable for some americans to be cautious and look for commercial vested interests, but that does need to be moderated by some careful thinking before allegations are made. We want the knowledge transfer donââ"šÂ¬Ã¢"žÂ¢t we?
If one carefully reads what Iwan has written on this thread about Prodi, Zeo or Nightsun, you will notice he made no claims. He has simply put up pictures, and provided some info and then responds to questions. In my view this is the www at it's empowering best.
Finally - it would be great if you tried out PolypLab and report back on progress. Its not who makes the products thats important, but what they are and how they work. IMO what Iwan has shown is that probiotic methods of nutrient control produce great results, that feeding corals appropriately (lighting, phytoplanction and the additives) builds on this and that trace element additions builds further.
Cheers
Simon
Let me put your mind at rest. You are not the first person to wonder if there is a commercial interest in all/some of this on my part. .I do not I have a full time, very well paid, senior position in the UK in a government funded sector, with a super pension scheme and do not have the need to scratch a few $ here or there from anything to do with these.
For me - this is an interesting and enjoyable and stress relieving hobby, made even more enjoyable when I discover something as valuable as this thread.
You may have noticed I was banned from Zeoland because of an allegation that I had commercial interest in Prodibio. The fact is the UK importer of Prodibio is a sponsor of Zeoland - easily checked - but an example of 'shoot from the hip' commercial sensitivity that does more harm than good to the hobbyist. You will also note, that despite that, I continue to refer to the value of Zeo products. Why? Because IME, the non ZB4 elements work. I am not concerned with who makes profit out of what ââ"šÂ¬Ã¢â‚¬Å“ only the efficacy and cost effectiveness - infact I freely give people links to where they can get the products at the cheapest rates. Zeo products are German incidentally - more on that later. Prodi is French and Nightsun is Swiss. None are British.
The money making opportunity I let Iwan know about was in relation to selling the copyright to his tank images to a British RO/DI company. I got nothing out of making the link between them, other than I hope Iwan does, as a small way to say thank you to him spending the time and effort of sharing his methods and results with the english speaking world.
I personally (my reef I should say) has benefited at lot from his help. Maybe I am too 'helpful' on this thread by providing summaries, calculations and links.....? I am happy to stop doing this if people want me to and just continue to have PM correspondence with Iwan if I need further help. Please do let me know - I wont be offended. Really.
On an amateur anthropological note - I have noticed is that it is US americans who ask questions about commercial interest, or worse make accusations without checking easily verifiable facts - (the zeoland eg). Maybe that has something to do with the environment you guys have to live in? Please donââ"šÂ¬Ã¢"žÂ¢t take this as a generalisation US friends, because many many US reefers are friendly open and helpful, but it seems that you are constantly exposed to 'snake oils', and this must make people wary.
But, pause for a moment and reflect on where the majority of really solid reefing developments have emerged from? The German speaking world. Yes, there are many US reefers who have made very valuable contributions too - but consider the origins of most of the proven technologies and approaches. I do therefore think it is understandable for some americans to be cautious and look for commercial vested interests, but that does need to be moderated by some careful thinking before allegations are made. We want the knowledge transfer donââ"šÂ¬Ã¢"žÂ¢t we?
If one carefully reads what Iwan has written on this thread about Prodi, Zeo or Nightsun, you will notice he made no claims. He has simply put up pictures, and provided some info and then responds to questions. In my view this is the www at it's empowering best.
Finally - it would be great if you tried out PolypLab and report back on progress. Its not who makes the products thats important, but what they are and how they work. IMO what Iwan has shown is that probiotic methods of nutrient control produce great results, that feeding corals appropriately (lighting, phytoplanction and the additives) builds on this and that trace element additions builds further.
Cheers
Simon
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