My new dussimieri tang/wts on him? Please help

[padova335i]

Okay so I just purchases a dussi tang which I have been on the hunt for two years! I also picked up a vlagimi tang at the same time and they are both in a 70 gallon tall qt tank..

Couple of questions.
1. I used cycled tank water along w some new fresh salt water to set up the tank. I know that the tank could still ammonia spike? So how frequently should i change water? 5 gallons every 3 days, with two feeding daily?

2. If I am medicating the tank and the meds have to stay for 5 days then do i still change the water?

I have had the fish since thursday and have not changed any water yet.. I did add rock rubble pieces in the hang on filter in case that helps at all.

Ok, so the important part.. From the pics its very hard to tell whats going on.. But it look is like he has grayish whitish spots on some parts of his body.. If you look really close they seem to be fluke worm/flat worm(which I know are not really visible since I have had them on wrasses and treated/saw when I did fresh water dips)these are pretty visible and move .. I just saw one on his body, slightly detach and then change position.. They patches seem raised and alive (they flap like a wave..)So the spots are whats left after these worm are eating him i would think, they are like leeches! Ill try to get a pic w my iphone, these are taken on my canon and i cant get a clear shot.

The place I got them said he runs copper and prazipro and I know he has had the fish for several months,,, but the place was pretty big w thousands of gallons of water so I doubt the prazi pro even worked..

I treated w macaryn two but I didnt have enough powder,, I was about to pick up more but this clearly looks like a worm of some sort,,

So my plan is... unless Im wrong, to do a 5 gallon wc later today the prazipro the tank change the water after 5 days (10 gallons) then run prazi again? ill take it from there?
I usually just hyposalinty ever tang i get, but this must be taken care of first.. They both are eating very well.. Im feeding spectra thera A dipped in vita chem and garlic..

Please help:headwally:

 

[padova335i]

After closer and closer inspection, he has 100% no doubt flatworms/flukes on his body..I just cant believe they are pretty visible and are moving on him... It seems like they are the ones leaving the marks.,. im preparing to use prazipro tomorrow, will keep an update,, I just changes about 10 gallons of water to prepare them, wish me luck!

 

[MrTuskfish]

There is no such thing as "cycled water". The bacteria that controls ammonia (etc.) is found in the LR, substrate, filter media, etc. Using water from an established tank does next to nothing when cycling a tank. The rock rubble, if its been in an active tank, should help some. I would assume you have, or will have, an ammonia problem; because you don't have an adequate bio-filter. You'll need to do WCs and possibly use an ammonia neutralizer (Prime, Ammo-Lock, et al) to prevent ammonia poisoning. Never use those products with copper.

I see no reason for using an antibiotic (macaryn); this doesn't look like a bacterial infection. It doesn't look or sound like flukes either; but two rounds of Prazi=Pro may well take care or it. There are many parasitic worms that aren't flukes and flukes are generally invisible. I would do FW dips on these fish, they often work with many larger parasites. You can search the forum for directions.

 

[Mrscribbled]

There is no such thing as "cycled water". The bacteria that controls ammonia (etc.) is found in the LR, substrate, filter media, etc. Using water from an established tank does next to nothing when cycling a tank. The rock rubble, if its been in an active tank, should help some. I would assume you have, or will have, an ammonia problem; because you don't have an adequate bio-filter. You'll need to do WCs and possibly use an ammonia neutralizer (Prime, Ammo-Lock, et al) to prevent ammonia poisoning. Never use those products with copper.

I see no reason for using an antibiotic (macaryn); this doesn't look like a bacterial infection. It doesn't look or sound like flukes either; but two rounds of Prazi=Pro may well take care or it. There are many parasitic worms that aren't flukes and flukes are generally invisible. I would do FW dips on these fish, they often work with many larger parasites. You can search the forum for directions.

Agree, water does not cycle. Nitrifying bacteria only lives, colonizes and is found on surface areas.


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[padova335i]

There is no such thing as "cycled water". The bacteria that controls ammonia (etc.) is found in the LR, substrate, filter media, etc. Using water from an established tank does next to nothing when cycling a tank. The rock rubble, if its been in an active tank, should help some. I would assume you have, or will have, an ammonia problem; because you don't have an adequate bio-filter. You'll need to do WCs and possibly use an ammonia neutralizer (Prime, Ammo-Lock, et al) to prevent ammonia poisoning. Never use those products with copper.

I see no reason for using an antibiotic (macaryn); this doesn't look like a bacterial infection. It doesn't look or sound like flukes either; but two rounds of Prazi=Pro may well take care or it. There are many parasitic worms that aren't flukes and flukes are generally invisible. I would do FW dips on these fish, they often work with many larger parasites. You can search the forum for directions.

Agree, water does not cycle. Nitrifying bacteria only lives, colonizes and is found on surface areas.


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awesome, thanks guys! I will continue to do active water changes every other day and feed once a day.. They are still eating strong.

Its definitely without a doubt some type of flat looking worm like a fluke when they are dipped in fresh water.. They came off of the fish (started peeling off) within a matter of minutes.. now he is just left with the spots which were under the worms.. I will continue to add more rock ruble and stick to water changes since I wont be putting these guys in any main display tanks for quite a while.. I'll keep an update and get a hold of prime or ammo lock,,

5 gallons every other day water change on a 70 gallon typically ok? feeding just once or twice small feedings?

also, after im done with these fish can i leave this system up and running feed the water and after it cycles will it be ok or must i add rock or something else? all that is in this tank are three pvc pipes a dual bio wheel filter with one chamber full of rock rubble

 

[MrTuskfish]

I'd sure treat with Prazi-Pro, a great and safe wormer. Whatever the worm was, it probably left eggs or still worms remain but hidden.

Yes change water as needed, but also test ammonia often.

You can leave the QT set up and ghost feed; but if this goes on for a long period, you won't have enough bacteria for much of a fish load, although aerobic bacteria multiplies rapidly. Putting the Bio-Wheel wheel assembly in a high flow area of your DT will do an excellent job of keeping the BW loaded with bacteria and ready to move to the QT. Assuming you trust your DT to be parasite free.

 

[padova335i]

I'd sure treat with Prazi-Pro, a great and safe wormer. Whatever the worm was, it probably left eggs or still worms remain but hidden.

Yes change water as needed, but also test ammonia often.

You can leave the QT set up and ghost feed; but if this goes on for a long period, you won't have enough bacteria for much of a fish load, although aerobic bacteria multiplies rapidly. Putting the Bio-Wheel wheel assembly in a high flow area of your DT will do an excellent job of keeping the BW loaded with bacteria and ready to move to the QT. Assuming you trust your DT to be parasite free.

awesome, yes Dt totally clean I qt everything and anything for at least two months.. Thanks for your help.. They just ate again, no visible worms, I will treat again thurs or friday. Im hoping the spots go away.. He will hopefully be one of the center pieces as long as my sailfin and achilles like him!

 

[padova335i]

ok, so i did a 50% wc, adding prime every 3rd to forth day.. Now feeding twice a day, one "heavy" meal then nori at night which they are liking.. I dosed prazi a second time 1.5 times the recommended dosage.. they are totaly fine and breathing great.. Im going to repeat this another two times...

The spots seem to be becoming less visible and i will post pics when i am finished w treatment.. The dussi is def more timid and hides a little when im around, the v tang is very friendly.. im sure the dussi will get friendlier and both will love the bigger tank! (as long as they all get a long)
so many fences to jump when getting new fish!

 

[padova335i]

moved them into a 40 was getting worried about ammonia spike and was going nuts changing water every other day.. They are doing well, not as shy eating like pigs.. I am still using prazipro..

Dussi seems 100% ok... The v tang is the one im worried about.. It seems as though he may have a fluke in his eye? there is a white small pin sized speck on his eye.. In the pic it seems like it could be a fluke.. But the spot is always in the same spot.. If it was a fluke wouldn't it move?

Will prazi pro kill an eye fluke/worm if it behind the lens of its eye.. I have been double dosing the prazi.. These guys are tuff... its not even them making them breathe heavy or take away their appetite by any means.

 

[padova335i]

bump... they are eating like pigs.. spots are much better, he is healing quick.. my only worry is on the vlagimini tang.. he has the spot on his eye and i have been double dosing the prazipro... im assuming its not fluke... if it was wouldn't it move a little?

anyone have any idea? what if i tried to carefully gently wipe his eye? could i cause damage?

 

[padova335i]

update both doing very well and they all get along.. super strong and healthy..

The other guy, dont have a pic, maybe tomorrow

 

[adeebm]

bump... they are eating like pigs.. spots are much better, he is healing quick.. my only worry is on the vlagimini tang.. he has the spot on his eye and i have been double dosing the prazipro... im assuming its not fluke... if it was wouldn't it move a little?

anyone have any idea? what if i tried to carefully gently wipe his eye? could i cause damage?

I wouldn't wipe the eye, you would probably scratch it or at least wipe off the slime coat. If it's not disease, it will probably heal on it's own, or is just a defect.

--Adeeb

 

[padova335i]

I wouldn't wipe the eye, you would probably scratch it or at least wipe off the slime coat. If it's not disease, it will probably heal on it's own, or is just a defect.

--Adeeb

Yes, Thank you, I didnt.. Hes fine now.. It still has that pinpoint spec.. But im the only one who can see it.. Maybe im nuts idk.. They are all doing very well now in DT

 

[SDguy]

Sorry a bit off topic, but I thought one of the key ways to ID a dussie was the white scalpel, even when small? Maybe it's just the photos, but it doens't look white... Just curious.

 

[padova335i]

Sorry a bit off topic, but I thought one of the key ways to ID a dussie was the white scalpel, even when small? Maybe it's just the photos, but it doens't look white... Just curious.

yes it is, the yellow around the eyes as well... maybe they removed it for shipping, they do that a lot, or maybe the white isnt showing much, it is 100% a dussi though, looked a long time for this guy