My Saltwater Tank Diary

dnnor

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OK, so this is something i decided to do when i first got my tank, origanally i had no intention on posting it, it was only for me, but i figured maybe i can get some feedback about whats going on. remember this was not intended for others so please forgive any lack of details, now that im posting it i'll be more detailed. and now for your reading.....


Saltwater Tank Diary

Aug 23rd
OK so I bought my new 150 gal. Saltwater tank on Aug 23rd
I also got 3 fish to start of my new adventure; a yellow Tang, Dogface Puffer and a Bursa Trigger.

Aug 26th
They came and set it up 3 days later on the 26th. All was well until….

Aug 28th
Thursday the 28th when Brandy noticed the Bursa wasn’t looking too well early that evening. Later that night when I got home I checked on it and it had died.

Aug 29th
I went back to Uncle Bills with the dead fish in a bag; to ask them what they thought might have happened. They weren’t sure but were more than happy to give me credit, and asked if I wanted a different fish (maybe a different breed of Trigger). I decided to go with a Red Tail Sargassum Trigger. I also picked up 2 hermit crabs to add to the mix.

Sept 5th
Being eager to add to my tank (maybe a little too eager); I went to UB with a bag of tank water to be tested. After I received the “all good” I promptly pointed to a beautiful Radiata Lionfish I was already eyeing. I also picked up 3 Redleg Crab. I believe my next purchase will be the “Zebra Moray eel”.

Sept. 8th
Rinsed out my filter today; I don’t think I did it correctly but I’ve read the instructions and now know exactly how to do it. I’m also addicted to the “Reef Central” and “Saltwater Fish” .com forums.

Sept. 12th
So all has been going well until today Brandy mentioned that the yellow tang had been swimming around a lil “retarded”… after a lil thought I remembered it did seem to be a lil acting strange; but we were going to Vegas in the morning so I didn’t think too much about it. Paula was all set to come feed the fish on Monday so I wasn’t too worried about anything.

Sept. 16th
Got back from Vegas around 8:00pm; Brandy & I both came in and went right to the tank to check on the “guys”….. before I even got all the way there Brandy says “awwww man he’s dead”. I look into the tank and noticed the yellow tang was laying on it’s side; still breathing but not moving. I got the net and tried to scoop it up; and it got up and swam away. It took about 2-3 minutes to catch it; at one point it even went back to the same place and laid down again. I finally caught it and put it into a bag of water with intent to take it back to the store in the morning and ask them what they thought.

Sept. 17th
Well first thing in the morning I went to the tank but it had died already. I went to the store with dead fish in hand, after a short examination of the fish it was decided that they had no idea what caused its death. They offered me a credit for my fish (as they are pretty good about warranting their fish). I decided to take my time this time and take a good look at the next fish I would take out of there.
I had definitely wanted to get the Zebra Moray Eel the last time I was there. Well Laura (store manager & owner’s daughter) reminded me that I wanted fish I could watch grow (the zebra was already a pretty good size). So I set my sights on a much smaller “snowflake eel”; I watched it for awhile and decided I would take it. Laura also suggested a “Blue Hippo Tang” which I also decided to take. I also set up a time for them to come do a water change.




Sept. 18th
They come out and do the water change, checked the water quality and everything checked out fine.

Sept. 20th
Fed the fish today, the only difference was I added some “rosies” for the eel (which is what they suggested at Uncle Bills). The eel didn’t eat at all; the ”Trigger” “Tang” and “Puffer” however did seem to enjoy them tho. Well a lil later in the evening I noticed the “Puffer” didn’t appear to be acting “normal” (wasn’t swimming around or there to greet me when I got close to the tank) actually it was laying under a LR cave not moving at all. I could tell it wasn’t dead, but it wasn’t moving. At this point I’m thinking *** is killing off all my fish; for the rest of the day it pretty much stayed in the same place.

Sept. 21st
Thinking I might have to take him in to get him checked out before it died I watched it for a lil longer, by now it was swimming around just a lil…. kinda slow and sluggish. At one point it even “puffed” up quite a bit, and I thought something is wrong for sure. Very shortly after that it was back to “normal” again; it was as if it just had a belly ache and needed to fart or something (not sure if fish do that or not…LOL).

Sept. 22nd
Decide to go get more “rosies” to see if the eel would eat today, I went to “The Reef” instead of “Uncle Bills” just because….. I also had Destin with me cause he like to go to pet stores and I even thought I would let him pick out my next fish. The guy told me first of all I shouldn’t be feeding the Eel “rosies” because they’re not saltwater fish, and secondly I should wait another day or two to see if he comes out looking for food.
During that time Destin saw a “Scooter Blenny” and decided that was the fish he wanted because it looked like a lizard. So we got the “Blenny” and some different food for the eel, and I got another 14.5lbs of LR. Not sure what my next purchase will be but I’m still excited about this new hobby of mine.

Sept. 27th
I Went to a new place called “The Abyss” a couple days ago; because it was highly recommended by my friend Susan, who used to have a reef tank herself. I Checked out the place a lil, also talked to the owner about their procedures and other things about my tank.
Since I felt good about the place I decided to take a sample of water to them to test for me, he felt that a “spike” in ammonia might have been the reason for my “ Yellow tang’s” death.
Went there the next day with water in hand…..and once again water tested just fine. While I was there I checked out some of the fish for my next possible purchase.
I decided on a “Foxface Rabbit” and a “Clarkii Clownfish”, which I picked up today. Although I do like the place; I was a little turned off by the fact that they don’t offer any warranty at all for their fish…..you buy it it’s yours.
Maybe I’ll continue to go there for advice, supplies and my less expensive fish. Uncle Bill’s seems to take pretty good care of me so far with any mishaps I’ve had with fish from them.

Oct. 11th
Last night I noticed my Foxface Rabbit was not looking so well, and I could tell it was on it’s last (fin)…sure enough when I woke up and checked on it, it was dead. My crab had already taken some bites out of it, including eating the eyes out of it….yuck.

Oct 13th
After getting my water checked again and asking around about what could have happened to my Foxface, a couple of people said maybe one of the other fish was “stressing” him out. So I decided to really watch the tank for a lil while; thinking my Niger Triger was the culprit. Well to my surprise my innocent looking Puffer took a bit out of my Snowflake Eel, a few seconds later it did it again. So I thought I’d better get the eel out of there before he decides to finish him off. So I took the eel to Uncle Bills to ask them what I should do, they decided I should leave him there for a few weeks to rehab and to see if they could get him to eat.



Oct 16th
I went back to UB to check on my eel and to look at maybe getting some new additions, they get new fish in on Thursdays. One of the things I was considering doing was bringing back the trigger because he was a lil too aggressive.
Well I decided to go ahead and get a “Pink Anthis” and a “Copperband Butterfly”, both really good looking fish.
When I got home and was ready to put them into the tank, the Trigger went after the Anthias right away. So I thought that sealed the deal and it was definitely going back. I caught the trigger and put it into one of the bags a had bought one of the other fish home in, and was gonna take it back to the store. Well I decided It could wait til in the morning. (Well I learned a $45 lesson about putting fish into a bag without enough air in it.) when I came home later that night (about 4 hours) it was dead. I had killed my bully and I was really bumed out about it.

Oct 18th
Today I did a water change myself, went to UB and bought 25 gallons of water and a filler hose. Came home rolled up my sleeves and went to work. It was way easier than I thought it was gonna be and I saved $30 doing it myself. Tank looks great hopefully it’ll cycle and I won’t have anymore problems. I probably won’t get anymore fish for a few weeks, but I think my next ones will be a “Kole Tang” and maybe a “Sailfin Tang” but I guess we’ll see.

Oct 20th
Woke up this morning to find the new large crab I had bought was on top of my Scooter Blenny, not sure if it killed it or it died and it decided to eat it. Anyway the crab is going back tomorrow….

Oct 23rd
Took the large crab back today and traded it for a smaller one.

Nov 1st
Woke up today to find my “Coppreband Butterfly” had died (seriously ***). Did the usual water test, and again nothing too crazy (by crazy I mean, nothing out of wack enough to be killing fish). I was already thinking about going to get a new fish today anyway; so I thought I guess I better go ask some more questions. Took a sample of water to them and they found nothing to be alarmed by either.
So, I decide to get a “Scribble Rabbitfish” I had seen there for a couple of weeks. Also they mentioned my salt was just a tad bit high for a FO tank I think it was 1.024; their suggestion was to do a 20 gallon water change with fresh water.
Came home; did the water change and cleaned the tank up a lil, hopefully all will be well.

Nov 8th
Been doing water test just about every other day and all is well, so I decided to maybe go take a look at maybe adding to the community. Took a sample of water as I always do before I buy a fish, It checked out fine and the salt level was down to 1.020.
I asked about my “Pink Anthias” and was informed that it didn’t make it thru the rehab. They were willing to give me a full credit for it, so with all that said I picked out a “Blonde Naso Tang” that I had considered a few weeks ago.
 
It's good that you are keeping a tank diary. Marine fish keeping is a really rewarding hobby when things go right, expensive and discouraging when they go wrong. Please don't take any of my advice the wrong way, it's meant to help you succeed.

You need to slow down with the fish. First problem, back in August, you added fish way too fast. A new tank should be cycled and running for at least a few weeks before adding fish, then not too many all at once. Some of the fish you are adding are definitely not beginner fish, and all should be quanrantined by you, even after being at the LFS. When you are bringing in a dead fish to the LFS, you shouldn't be leaving with several more. You need to find out why your fish are dying and correct the problem before adding any more fish. I think your LFS that sold you the tank is giving you very bad advice.

To get a good base of information, start with a decent beginner book, like this one:

http://www.amazon.com/New-Marine-Aquarium-Step-Step/dp/1890087521

It will be a good investment and will save you money and lost fish.

Stop buying fish until you decide what you want to stock the whole tank with. You need to research compatibility, hardiness and size of all the fish you want to add ahead of time. Don't overstock the tank.

Some of your fish choices, past or future, are not going to work. For example, a 150 is not big enough for a naso tang. Anthias are not suitable for your mix of fish, and are definitely not for beginners. Copper band butterfly fish are difficult to keep, even by experienced aquarists and need an established tank.

You really must set up a quarantine tank. It doesn't need to be glass, it can be temporary, and something like a large Rubbermaid container.

What water parameters are you measuring? You need to stop relying on your fish store for water changes and water testing. As I said before, they have given you poor advice, and have let you go really far down the wrong road. You should be keeping up with pH, ammonia, nitrite, nitrate, not just salinity. How are you making up your salt water?

I would stop going to the fish store to do anything but look, maybe not even that for a while. It's time to do some serious research on how to keep your tank, and on fish species that would be suitable. DO NOT get any more advice from any fish store without confirming with knowledgeable people that are not trying to sell you something!

Seriously, slow down. You have a nice tank, but you have some major problems.

What is your filtration system? Do you have a protein skimmer? Do you have live rock or sand? If so, how much?

There are a lot of experienced people on this board that will help you out. We've all been beginners and have all made mistakes.
 
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I just got out my copy of "New Marine Aquarium". To give you an idea of the value of this book, here is a list of "Ten Common Stocking Mistakes", page 112. I bolded the mistakes I think you are making on stocking. If you go with a decent book like "New Marine Aquarium", slow down, plan your stock list, stop impulse buys, and get a handle on what is killing your fish (either disease, poor water quality, stress or a combination), you will have a much better experience.

1) Overstocking
2) Not quarantining new fishes
3) Adding a new fish without adequate social acclimation
4) Mismatching fish of different temperaments
5) Assuming all large fish are aggressive and all small fish are docile
6) Buying large, mature specimens rather than starting with juveniles or small adults
7) Not allowing space for the fishes growth
8) Buying "bargain" fishes by price, rather than from sources that have the healthiest, most robust, specimens
9) Adding aggressive species first
10) Constantly adding "one more fish" to the tank
 
thanks....

thanks....

Thank you, thank you, thank you.....first off i will look for that book tomorrow, secondly i recently obtained a # of a guy that is supposed to be pretty good at helping people with SWT, he comes highly recommened, and he doesn't work for a LFS and doesn't sell anything himself. He dose maintain some local public tanks at some resturants; and i plan to go check them out and maybe ask some questions about them.


in regards to this...
"What water parameters are you measuring? You need to stop relying on your fish store for water changes and water testing. As I said before, they have given you poor advice, and have let you go really far down the wrong road. You should be keeping up with pH, ammonia, nitrite, nitrate, not just salinity. How are you making up your salt water?"

i've used the dreaded strips as well as a more thorough testing by a place that does more maintenance of tanks than selling of fish, and they checked all the things you mentioned. i've always bought my saltwater from the LFS; and i have been doing my own water change ever since the first change when i saw how easy it actually was.

i will take heed of your advise and take no offense to it, i appreciate all the help i can get. here's a list of the fish i have in the tank right now....

dogface puffer
clarkii clown
lionfish
blue hippo tang
scribble rabbit
blonde naso tang

I promise i'm not buying another fish until i get some very reliable help.
thanks again and always feel free to point me in the right direction.
 
Thanks for not taking offense, none intended. I have kept saltwater tanks for over 30 years, and have learned a lot of hard lessons. I still make mistakes, but try not to repeat the old ones. :) You'll find people here are really helpful, and there is a lot of experience you can tap into. But to get the most out of the boards, it's best to get some base knowledge. New Marine Aquarium can get you up to speed quick, and the advice in it is really good.

The fish you have, if they get established and survive, are probably going to have your tank pretty well stocked. I had a mated pair of Naso tangs in a 125, along with a large file fish and a hog fish for several years. So while the tank is too small to keep the Naso for life, you might be okay for a while. Can you list the sizes of your fish?

If you can stabilize things, the fish you have are all at least fairly hardy and should be compatible. Pay really close attention to your water quality.

pH needs to be 8.0-8.4
Ammonia - undetectable
Nitrites - undetectable
Nitrates - try to keep them under 30 ppm if you can
Temperature - try to keep around 74-80, stay under 80

When you mix salt water, if you are using tap water, be sure to add a dechlorinator/dechloraminator. I use Prime. Add the salt, then aerate or mix overnight. Recheck specific gravity and pH before adding to the tank. If necessary, add pH buffer (I use Marine Buffer by SeaChem).

Specific gravity should be around 1.023-1.026. You might keep it a little lower. Any topoff water you use (to make up for evaporation) should be treated to remove chlorine/chloramines (which are found in city water).

It's great that you kept the diary, it makes it a lot better for looking at what's going on.

What kind of filtration do you have? You will need good filtration for the biological load in your tank.

If you see signs of disease in your fish - any of these - post right away and send pictures if you can:

-rubbing on sand or rock
-labored or rapid breathing
-spots or specks on skin or fins
-frayed, ragged or red fins
-inability to swim normally
-excessive hiding
-gasping at the surface

Many, perhaps the majority, of saltwater fish that aren't put through rigorous quarantine have gill flukes, ich, or velvet, or some other disease. Any of these can kill and can spread to other fish. You should not treat your display tank. Even fish that look healthy at the fish store can be sick. That's why a quarantine tank is so important.

Hang in there. Saltwater fish aren't really that hard, but there is a lot a new hobbyist needs to learn about providing the proper conditions for fish.
 
my fish range from approx. 5"-2" in this order, from largest to smallest....
blue hippo
scribble rabbitfish
puffer
lionfish
naso
clarkii clownfish

do you think 6 fish is enough fish for a 150 gal.?

my filter is a "Rena" filstar XP, and i have somewhere between 75-100 lbs of LR.

may hippo is always rubbing against the rocks....do you think that might be a problem? and if so how do i know for sure and what would i treat it for?
 
tangs, especially hippo tangs, are known to be "ich magnets". they are very susceptible to ich. unless you have a quarantine tank to treat it, the best thing is to do frequent partial water changes to keep water quality high, and feed a good diet, maybe with an antiparasite in it. you may have to take the tang out of the display tank to treat, but please don't treat the display. it can be done, but really is not good practice. unless you know what you are doing, treating the display tank can do more harm than good.
 
LisaD, those are excellent posts.. I can only add a few things right now.. dnnor, your next purchase should be an excellent protein skimmer (read about the positives and negatives of all.. i've only rarely seen a 'good' skimmer sold at a fish store, unfortunately. also, make sure you keep up with the maintenance of the filter... when your fish grow, they will start to put a heavier and heavier burden on on the filter..
Finally, watch out for the lion and puffer.. Puffers are definitely known to nip fins.. and nipping a lionfish will NOT be good for the poor puffer. Good luck. It's really excellent that you're so open to suggestion. As long as you're patient, diligent, and open minded, you really should have no trouble in this excellent, addictive hobby
 
thank you E.intheC, i am very open to suggestions and advise about my tank. when i decided to start this hobby i knew it was going to be one i had to grow into, and the hardest thing for me would be "patience". i really like that it's a constant learning process, and i fully intend to learn as much as i possibly can.

i will be contacting a local saltwater tank pro, suggested to me by a friend to come help out with some things i need to learn, as well as picking up some reading materials to learn some myself.

thanks again and please feel free to continue to advise me and help point me in the best direction.
 
Absolutely.. I still have trouble with that 'patience' part.. as I'm sure most of us do. It's one of the hardest things. It has, in a strange way, made me more patient in other parts of my life, which is really great.
 
I missed that you didn't have a skimmer - yes, I would invest in a decent skimmer before you spend any other money.

IMO, you could also use another 75 lbs or so of live rock for biological filtration. do you have a sump?

have you ordered New Marine Aquarium? you will find it very very helpful.

your tank is definitely underfiltered for your fish. I finally bit the bullet and bought an $850 protein skimmer, and I'm very glad I did.
 
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