my yellow angler eating

[skinnyjoe1976]

just thought i would post a few pics of my very expensive angler that eats naked percs for dinner. he's now eating 3 comets every other day.

just after he ate one hole.

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chilling before the next one

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going after his third

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[chrisstie]

Even though your fish is acting on natural viscious killing instinct to kill an innocent little goldfish...

He's still SO ADORABLY CUTE OMG haha I love that guy!

 

[InLimbo87]

Have you tried feeding him frozen at all? Don't know all of the reasons behind it, but feeding live freshwater fish to saltwater fish can be very bad for fish health. Something to do with fatty liver disease or something like that...

 

[skinnyjoe1976]

inlimbo i heard the same thing and did research and found that he will not take frozen food this young. he's only 6 months old or so. the gold fish that i feed are feed saltwater flakes, mysis and the water is keep so clean in my feeder tank is sick. it's a 10 gallon with a viaaqua that rated for a 70 gallon tank and i'm running a ehiem canister filter with carbon, nitrate removal ammonia removal and i treat the water with all known freshwater tratments. and the water is actual a little brackish. there's also feeder shrimp in with them and thats what his main course of food is. if you can find any articles related to this it would be helpful thanks.

 

[waterfaller1]

I am beginning to think the freshwater feeder thing is a myth..read here:
http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=1107840

And also, we tell everyone that frozen Piscine mysis shrimp is one of the greatest foods and guess what...they are freshwater mysis. Not sure about the feeder goldfish, but something to consider anyway. I think some of what we "parrot" in the hobby is just handed down myth. I am trying to get away from doing that..and just speak from my own experience instead. He looks pretty bright & healthy...good luck with him.

 

[InLimbo87]

http://www.advancedaquarist.com/issues/dec2003/invert.htm

Theres a good nutritional article where they address the feeding of live goldfish to marine animals. As you can see by the chart referenced, the amount of lipid (fat) in the goldfish is extremely high in comparison to what they would be eating in a normal (wild) diet. This is why they say that these types of carnivorous fish often die from "fatty liver disease".

Although freshwater mysis is not from a saltwater habitat, the feeding of it is very nutritional based on fat contents, etc. The idea here is not that freshwater fish are bad because they come from a freshwater environment, but rather the contents of fats, etc that these fish have.

Skinnyjoe, it seems as though you are taking the right steps to making it as healthy as possible for your angler, and its great to see someone doing their research. I would just continually try to ween him onto frozen saltwater fish, you may find with the right amount of patience he will take to it, and leave you with a better piece of mind that you have a healthy fish (Hey, I know those anglers are $$).

 

[InLimbo87]

And here is his second article following the other:

http://www.advancedaquarist.com/issues/jan2004/invert.htm

Directly addresses the differences between fresh and saltwater crustacean feeding.

 

[chrisstie]

So a goldfish is the freshwater big mac? ;p

 

[InLimbo87]

Basically... U ever see Supersize Me?

Same idea as the goldfish in that his liver couldn't handle all the fat in the food and was failing.

 

[waterfaller1]

Quote:
"Because there is no real data for the nutritional profiles of aquarium fishes..."

"These are brackish fish that are frequently adapted to saltwater - do these provide better nutrition than feeder goldfish? The simple answer is "I don't know."

" Although I have no real basis on which to make a decision, I personally doubt that they are particularly nutritious for a marine fish. Therefore, it is my opinion that they should be avoided in favor of some of the other food choices listed in this article."



"Unfortunately, there are currently no commercial sources of live copepods for either the aquaculture or aquarium industries,"

How old are these articles ?

 

[InLimbo87]

They're from 2003-2004, and yes a little outdated on a couple of things, but the overall idea is there.

It is a proven fact that goldfish have higher fat content than marine fish, and that many carnivorous marine fish have died from the excessive amount of fat. I don't think I've ever seen any true evidence to support otherwise besides the usual "well my fish is doing good on them".