Mylar

I highly doubt any of the reflectors sold commercially in this hobby are computer designed. "Computer designed" usually means that somebody drew a picture of it on a computer. It's the engineer/mathematician that designed the reflector. It's fairly trivial to design a reflector assuming a point source of light in 3d, and even easier for the 2d scenario for, say, a T5 bulb. To first approximation, you'd put the bulb at the focus of a parabola. To get more into it, you'd have to consider that the reflector doesn't cover the whole area to be illuminated (like luminarcs tend to do). Also, for a parabola, even though the reflected light is collimated, it is more intense in the perifery, which, to some degree, couteracts the intensity of the light coming directly from the bulb, which is more intense in the center. You could also consider that the bulb is not a perfect point, and that the desired coverage is usually square, among other considerations. I doubt that the common reflector companies take these considerations into account mathematically. They probably just tweak the bulb's location and the angle of the panels a bit to even things out somewhat. The reflectors are not even curved, which tells me that they are not as good as they could be.

Mylar is the polymer and it doesn't necesarily have to be mirrored. I'd bet you could get it pretty flat by stretching it over some float glass and taping it behind. I'd suggest using mirrored aluminum sheets, like those from analod. More $$ than mirrored mylar, but you'd still save a ton over commercial prices. It's more durable than the coated mylar stuff.

Good luck with the construction....

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The DIY solar panel guys stretch the stuff.. The biggest problem is the stress from "stretching" and the heating and cooling cycles cuase thousands of tiny cracks in the aluminum coating. I guess the operative word is "stretch" and to what extent you actually put any tension on the mylar.
 
Also, from my understanding the ROIII and the T5 single lamp reflectors are engineered for light output and focus. Sanjays site has some good spectral and intensity plots (2d and 3d) to show the differences in some of the available designs... interesting stuff to say the least (well if reflectors interest you).
 
Has anyone else thought that Sanjay's data is severely limited because the bulbs are not allowed to burn in? I've noticed appreciable (to the eyes) change in color at least until a week after first firing.

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wow didnt think this would become such a big thread, I used mylar on my reflector and will post some pics soon. I mimicked the luminarc and have it all setup but its not in my tank becuase its not even filled as of nw :(
 
No, I wasn't sure about that... just assumed it was the case as it would be a lot of juice to burn for an individual to help the rc community... cool if that's the case though. I'd always wondered about that. Cheers


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I don't want to re-kindle the discussion of a couple pages back on this thread, but I would like to know just what constitutes a perfect design for a reflector?

If the hypothetically perfect reflector is a paraboloid and the light source is a point source placed at the prime focus, then wouldn't the resultant light be a beam which is the same diameter as the reflector. This, IMO, wouldn't be suitable for an aquarium, since some spreading of the light would be desirable so that the entire tank would be bathed in light of equivalent intensity.

I am just asking, as I am planning a T5 fixture utilizing food grade stainless steel pipeing as reflectors (cut in half longitudinally). The reflector cross section would be semi-circular rather than parabolic. My plan is to avoid a tightly focused source of light in favour of a more dispersed array.

Any thoughts?

BTW, I used Mylar for an eight lamp T12 light hood that I have since upgraded to Coralife PC's The material I used was designed for hermetically sealing electronic equipment for overseas shipment and it had a protective coating that peeled off from the heat of the lamps. Once the coating was completly gone the mylar worked fine. After a couple years, there was some checking from the salt. I gave the fixture to a friend of mine for his tank, and he is still using it. the fixture is more than five years old.
 
I can see how making a good reflector would be hard for some people, but if you have access to a metal break and have the layout, and the proper materials it would be no problem at all for some.

IMO spectral aluminum would be the material of choice, why buy plain aluminum, and glue and mylar, and go through all the hassle , when you can just make it out of spectral aluminum to begin with.
 
There is no perfect design. The paraboloid would only collimate the light that is reflected off the reflector. Remember there is some light that comes directly from the bulb. This lighting intensity is radially symmetric, and forethought in reflector design would compensate for the non-reflected light being more intense below the bulb (assuming a flat bottom tank). It would make things easier if the reflector could cover the entire top of the tank, but that wouldn't leave room for T5s, etc. Rockwork would contribute to how an 'ideal' reflector is designed, which means that there is no one ideal reflector.

Consider also the shadowing from collimated light.

I second the initial spectral aluminum buy.

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<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7238901#post7238901 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by goby1
There is no perfect design. The paraboloid would only collimate the light that is reflected off the reflector. Remember there is some light that comes directly from the bulb. This lighting intensity is radially symmetric, and forethought in reflector design would compensate for the non-reflected light being more intense below the bulb (assuming a flat bottom tank). It would make things easier if the reflector could cover the entire top of the tank, but that wouldn't leave room for T5s, etc. Rockwork would contribute to how an 'ideal' reflector is designed, which means that there is no one ideal reflector.

Consider also the shadowing from collimated light.

I second the initial spectral aluminum buy.

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Thanks Goby1; my thoughts exactly.

I believe that the light directly from the bulb is less intense than what is reflected. Direct light from the bulb is spreading isotropically and what hits the reflector is somewhat focused, albeit not perfectly.

The concave reflector has positive gain relative to the lamp and the resultant radiation is less subject to spreading loss.
 
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