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Friday Night

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Remember the days when your bought a "green zoa"? and it was a "GREEN ZOA" lol...

alot has changed.
Bring back 1999!

Sry just thinking about the good old days..
:beer:
 
The old fish store I used to work at sold zoas, tons of zoas. If a zoa was valuable Id pick it up and take it home, besides that zoas were zoas and sold dirt cheap as what color they were it was great.
 
when you think about it, most hobbyist reefers are like BIG "little kids". when you were a kid you probably had a stamp or sports card collection. I remember hustling baseball cards as a kid and it always amazed me what people would spend on pieces of cardboard! somethings only worth what someone's willing to pay for it. the same applies now, i just got a few of the '' Utter Chaos palys" and they're cool but i got them through a trade, if i hadn't i never would've spent $195 a polyp........but thats me, and if you would.....to each his own. As Long As You Enjoy Your Reef...........WHO CARES!?!
 
Friday Night said:
Remember the days when your bought a "green zoa"? and it was a "GREEN ZOA" lol...

alot has changed.
Bring back 1999!

Sry just thinking about the good old days..
:beer:
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In 1999 your green zoa would have been brown because you were running 10k lights. :)
 
What is amazing is that there is no way to tell what is 'rare' in the ocean. Online dealers can call anything rare, give it a crazy name, and list a huge price and people gobble it up.
 
Its amazing to see what the Zoa/Paly community has done in the last ~5 years. I got out of reef keeping for the most part in 2005/2006ish and at that time the 'named' zoa phenomenon was just starting to happen. I remember when I found PPE back when they were about the only named zoa's. I managed to get a small from from someone who got them from Blane Perun back in 2004 or so. I managed to grow those out and they would sell for obscene prices at the time. From there on naming zoa's just exploded, there were only a handful that I remembered when I left and when I came back this last year its crazy, every zoa is named, nothing is just a coral any more.

On a side note as a kind of funny story. Back at MACNA XVI or XVII I helped out the people at FRAGexchange.com with fragging and handing out coral. While there I distinctly remember helping with a generic zoa colony of just green plain Jane polyps and when we were handing them out having someone ask us what we called these (this was just as naming was hitting the scene). Out of jest someone said something like super-ultra-green macna zoa. Comes to find out I saw someone trying to trade/sell some of these a year or 2 later under this same name and it just showed how prone these were to being able to be named
 
thx mucho for the link to this thread as it is one of the most relivent threads on this whole forum..

first off a little about myself.. ive been reefing since 2000.. ive had tanks of all sizes from 2 gal nanos to 280 gallon sps tanks.. i am currently tankless as we just bought a new house and household repairs come before the tanks... well tankless isnt the right word... there just "waterless".

now let me get to my point... i come and go on here through out the day and the vast majority of posts are... look at my (insert designer name here) zoa or paly... when in retrospect that is not what you have at all... you have Zoanthus and Palythoa sp. so why name the darn things... its such an easy and simple awnser.... you want to come to places like this.... puff out your chest.... and say LOOK AT ME!!!! i have this list of corals that says superman, hulk, sopranos, or whatever cool new hip jive names are floating around.... then you frag the living begesus out of the so caled colony- which leads me to say this.... 10 polyps is NOT a colony... people have become so infatuated with trying to make a buck off these things that you all have forgotten one little detail -albeit it is the main detail here- your supposed to enjoy your tank.... wait let me rephrase this... your supposed to enjoy your ECOSYSTEM which you have established... tanks are crammed so full of frag racks containing that new named coral... which in fact probably now has 10 different cool and catchy names because they have morphed in everyones system due to all the subtle differences each one posseses.

i know i know its all about marketing... its cool its catchy... the name brings you to a place you remember growing up or to a significant event... thats all fine and dandy... for a song... or a movie... why take a hobby or in my case a passion, and put a label on every damn thing in your tank... are your freinds more impressed that you have a joker pally or some magicians... or just maybe are they more impressed with the overall big picture.. when they point to a certain morph do you say that is_____, and then ramble on for an hr naming off every morph of z&p? because i bet they tone you out after 2 or 3 names... the only person who cares about what named pallys you have... IS YOU!!! when i browse the pictures im not looking at the damn names below the pic.. im looking at the beauty you have created within your glass/acrylic/(and sometimes) plywood box... and thats all you should be doing as well.. the names on the coral means nothing to anyone outside of yourself.... so sit back... grow out thoes beautiful Zoanthus sp. and Palythoa sp... because in the end... thats all they are
 
wireefman said:
thx mucho for the link to this thread as it is one of the most relivent threads on this whole forum..

first off a little about myself.. ive been reefing since 2000.. ive had tanks of all sizes from 2 gal nanos to 280 gallon sps tanks.. i am currently tankless as we just bought a new house and household repairs come before the tanks... well tankless isnt the right word... there just "waterless".

now let me get to my point... i come and go on here through out the day and the vast majority of posts are... look at my (insert designer name here) zoa or paly... when in retrospect that is not what you have at all... you have Zoanthus and Palythoa sp. so why name the darn things... its such an easy and simple awnser.... you want to come to places like this.... puff out your chest.... and say LOOK AT ME!!!! i have this list of corals that says superman, hulk, sopranos, or whatever cool new hip jive names are floating around.... then you frag the living begesus out of the so caled colony- which leads me to say this.... 10 polyps is NOT a colony... people have become so infatuated with trying to make a buck off these things that you all have forgotten one little detail -albeit it is the main detail here- your supposed to enjoy your tank.... wait let me rephrase this... your supposed to enjoy your ECOSYSTEM which you have established... tanks are crammed so full of frag racks containing that new named coral... which in fact probably now has 10 different cool and catchy names because they have morphed in everyones system due to all the subtle differences each one posseses.

i know i know its all about marketing... its cool its catchy... the name brings you to a place you remember growing up or to a significant event... thats all fine and dandy... for a song... or a movie... why take a hobby or in my case a passion, and put a label on every damn thing in your tank... are your freinds more impressed that you have a joker pally or some magicians... or just maybe are they more impressed with the overall big picture.. when they point to a certain morph do you say that is_____, and then ramble on for an hr naming off every morph of z&p? because i bet they tone you out after 2 or 3 names... the only person who cares about what named pallys you have... IS YOU!!! when i browse the pictures im not looking at the damn names below the pic.. im looking at the beauty you have created within your glass/acrylic/(and sometimes) plywood box... and thats all you should be doing as well.. the names on the coral means nothing to anyone outside of yourself.... so sit back... grow out thoes beautiful Zoanthus sp. and Palythoa sp... because in the end... thats all they are
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You're welcome. There are dozens of those threads. Thanks for sharing your story.

http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1422216&highlight=gone+nuts+
 
wireefman said:
thx mucho for the link to this thread as it is one of the most relivent threads on this whole forum..

first off a little about myself.. ive been reefing since 2000.. ive had tanks of all sizes from 2 gal nanos to 280 gallon sps tanks.. i am currently tankless as we just bought a new house and household repairs come before the tanks... well tankless isnt the right word... there just "waterless".

now let me get to my point... i come and go on here through out the day and the vast majority of posts are... look at my (insert designer name here) zoa or paly... when in retrospect that is not what you have at all... you have Zoanthus and Palythoa sp. so why name the darn things... its such an easy and simple awnser.... you want to come to places like this.... puff out your chest.... and say LOOK AT ME!!!! i have this list of corals that says superman, hulk, sopranos, or whatever cool new hip jive names are floating around.... then you frag the living begesus out of the so caled colony- which leads me to say this.... 10 polyps is NOT a colony... people have become so infatuated with trying to make a buck off these things that you all have forgotten one little detail -albeit it is the main detail here- your supposed to enjoy your tank.... wait let me rephrase this... your supposed to enjoy your ECOSYSTEM which you have established... tanks are crammed so full of frag racks containing that new named coral... which in fact probably now has 10 different cool and catchy names because they have morphed in everyones system due to all the subtle differences each one posseses.

i know i know its all about marketing... its cool its catchy... the name brings you to a place you remember growing up or to a significant event... thats all fine and dandy... for a song... or a movie... why take a hobby or in my case a passion, and put a label on every damn thing in your tank... are your freinds more impressed that you have a joker pally or some magicians... or just maybe are they more impressed with the overall big picture.. when they point to a certain morph do you say that is_____, and then ramble on for an hr naming off every morph of z&p? because i bet they tone you out after 2 or 3 names... the only person who cares about what named pallys you have... IS YOU!!! when i browse the pictures im not looking at the damn names below the pic.. im looking at the beauty you have created within your glass/acrylic/(and sometimes) plywood box... and thats all you should be doing as well.. the names on the coral means nothing to anyone outside of yourself.... so sit back... grow out thoes beautiful Zoanthus sp. and Palythoa sp... because in the end... thats all they are
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650-IS350, you crack me up, LOLOL

wireefman, I forgot to mention that I agree with every single word of your post.
 
We all have different types of "collections" in our tanks yes? It makes it easier to identify which ones one might have IMO. I truly hate seeing things like LE and High End before corals...that bothers me more than the name game.

I think in many, not all, cases the very flashy z's and p's pay a premium over a less colorful one. I realize that there are plenty of colorful ones out there that are very common to the consumer and therefore less expensive.

I think it's crazy to pay $100 for a polyp but I don't mind paying more for a very colorful paly that I don't see everyday.
 
I agree that the name game gets some people going, but it all boils down to supply and demand. There are tons of examples of "big name" zoas that now go for a couple of bucks/polyp.

I really liked "red hornets" the first time that I saw them at a LFS. I picked myself up off of the floor when I was told that a frag was $150. I picked myself back up off of the floor when I was told "no no, that's per polyp". I recently got a frag of 6-7 polyps of them for $30.
 
Wheeldog63 said:
Its amazing to see what the Zoa/Paly community has done in the last ~5 years. I got out of reef keeping for the most part in 2005/2006ish and at that time the 'named' zoa phenomenon was just starting to happen. I remember when I found PPE back when they were about the only named zoa's. I managed to get a small from from someone who got them from Blane Perun back in 2004 or so. I managed to grow those out and they would sell for obscene prices at the time. From there on naming zoa's just exploded, there were only a handful that I remembered when I left and when I came back this last year its crazy, every zoa is named, nothing is just a coral any more.

On a side note as a kind of funny story. Back at MACNA XVI or XVII I helped out the people at FRAGexchange.com with fragging and handing out coral. While there I distinctly remember helping with a generic zoa colony of just green plain Jane polyps and when we were handing them out having someone ask us what we called these (this was just as naming was hitting the scene). Out of jest someone said something like super-ultra-green macna zoa. Comes to find out I saw someone trying to trade/sell some of these a year or 2 later under this same name and it just showed how prone these were to being able to be named
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Wheeldog, I have heard a few stories like that as well. A few years ago,I heard a story of some zoas which sat in the corner tank of a store for months and no one wanted them. Then somebody made up a cartoon name, and they sold in one day. They were the most common green polyps in the hobby which had been around for 15 years at least.

FrankenReef, I agree 100 %, totally subjective.


MUCHO REEF
TOTM - AUGUST 2003
 
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all boils down to supply and demand

Is that what these folks that are into the name game and high prices still like to make you believe it is?? :ape:

This has been going on for years now, same o'l BS. Its all marketing, gimmick... put a designer name or cool name, pimp it around, market it in every forum then it'll sell for 5-10 times it's original price. Were in a state now that it's become somewhat normal to see " New " so called polyps becoming 50-200 A polyp now.. LOL When the colony they got it from was sourced for less.:lol2:
 
In all seriousness, I'll need you to convince me that prices for aquacultured corals aren't directly correlated to the demand for them.

The price is never more than the market will bear. Whether it's simply trying to put a name to something so that you don't have to list it as "blue zoa with, a yellow skirt, and a pink ring in the middle that's polka dotted with green smiley faces" or throwing a popular name onto something to try to ride some kind of price trend, the market is still a factor of how many are available for sale versus how many people interested in buying and how much they are willing to pay.

I don't buy $100 polyps. In fact, it has to be pretty special for me to spend more than $5.
 
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