Necessary topic for frag swap-QT

gflat65

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Well, I probably should have posted this as a public service announcement last week to give everyone a chance to prepare. As many of you know, pests in this hobby can wreak havoc on tanks. The vast majority of people who have pests do not even know they have pests ,so it is easy to spread them around if the proper steps are not taken. A few of said pests are AEFW's (acro eating flatworms), Monti nudi's, Zoa nudi's, Zoa spiders, and red bugs (acro munchers-though not really as big a concern as the other pests mentioned, as there is an intank treatment that will get rid of them).

The best way to prevent pests in your display is to have a QT tank set up. This is not within the capabilities of most, as it is an additional cost to run and requires more space and attention... If you have a QT tank, you are strongly advised to observe the new corals in the QT before entering into the display. This could save you a lot of trouble down the road. I dip and QT just about everything that comes into my tank. Even if you don't have any zoas and get an acro, there is a possibility of a nudi hitching a ride, or vice versa with an AEFW. Pretty scary.

My QT procedure will differ from others, I'm sure, but as you all know there are a number of right ways to do just about everything in this hobby. I use Tropic Marin Pro Coral Cure to dip all corals in saltwater that come in (afraid to try it on gorgonians and the like, though). It is designed for Acro pests more than anything, so use it at own risk. I've dipped just about every coral I have in my system and have never lost a single one to the dip (acros, montis, acans, leptastreas, chalices (numerous types), zoas, palys, caulastreas, oscillators, xylophones, etc., etc.). For ~$20 a bottle, it is worth its weight in gold. Zoas sometimes show a little more anger at being dipped in the TMPCC, but they have all recovered within a day of the dips in the past. Iodine is suspected of being the main ingredient, but no one has been able to verify that. Iodine would be a much cheaper route, as it is more concentrated, but I only have experience with Iodine in fresh water dipping of zoas (I use Kent Marine's Lugols solution). Regardless of the medication you use, always shake, swirl, and twist the coral in the meds after treating to remove any stunned animals (most of these meds just stun the pest, so they can still hang on). Inspect closely (with the aid of a magnifying glass) to try to identify signs (munching of the coral, eggs, etc.). Remove all egg sacks (primarily nudis and AEFW'). It is very difficult to see eggs for some of these as they hide them well. If you see eggs, you might want to QT for a little while and re treat them after a week or so and re inspect.

You can get pests from anywhere. It is not cost effective for wholesalers or retailer to rid their corals of pests, as the meds and cycle times on treatments can be inhibitive, so if they have a pest in one of their holding tanks, every coral in the holding tank is subject to carrying a hitchhiker. That said, they come from everywhere, not just hobbyists. Many pests will lay eggs on the coral base, or the rock the coral is attached to. Frags are a little easier to inspect, as there are fewer places to hide the eggs, etc.

This can be a very long topic, so I'll start stopping here;). It is not uncommon for someone to come home from a swap (or an LFS or receive a package from an OFS for that matter) and find something they don't want in their tanks. It is important to inspect thoroughly, if nothing else, but a QT tank is a better way to go in the long run. As I mentioned before, most people don't realize they have anything, so that puts the responsibility on us to protect our tanks. I don't want to see people getting out of the hobby because they got some dreaded pest that they couldn't get rid of... The hobby is hard enough without having to deal with things that can decimate your most prized corals. Be proactive and aware that these thins are out there so you can protect your hobby and investment.

Don't let this be a discouraging factor at the frag swap. Anything you buy from anywhere could have a pest, it is just important to inspect before releasing them into your display.

Feel free to ask any questions. There are a number of people on these boards that have had experience with these pests or have researched to be prepared if they find them on incoming corals. We are here to help:).
 
I totally agree with Gary's invaluable advice! I would recommend an Interceptor treatment in the bag for 8 hours prior to adding any acros to a display tank if you do not have the ability to QT. I would advise this regardless of the source of the frags/colonies, because, as Gary points out, people may not be aware they have a problem and/or may be at the beginning of an infestation. I've thrown many frags away that were suspect; better to lose a few bucks on a frag than to risk infecting an entire tank.

Dave
 
Has anyone seen Pro Coral Cure around here? I have been meaning to get some. I may just order some so it will be here by next weekend.
 
Mike,

I've been using it for months now and have had goot luck with it. It doesn't get everything, but gets just about everything. I got my recent batches from That Fish Place. now, if we could just find somethign that kills the eggs or renders them unable to reproduce... There's got to be something out there that would weaken the egg sac to a point of extreme detriment without killing the coral.
 
Thanks, I was planning on stopping by there sometime this weekend. I haven't been in a while.
 
I'll check with my "source" for interceptor and see if I can get some. PM me if interested.

Dave
 
If anyone needs interceptor the wife can get some at the vet clinic she worked at not for free anymore though :(
I will have a bottle of flatworm exit with me if anyone wants a drop of it in their frag bag for the ride home.
 
QT is the way to go, not just the bugs, the BAD algaes too!!!! From the last swap, I got a piece of coral from one of the guys on here. What a huge disappointment, "Bryopsis"......Been doing constant battles ever since....I should of taken the loss and just toss that whole coral, I wouldn't be in a mess now if I had done so.....All the new corals would be QT and put into my bowfront instead of my 55.....
 
Re: Necessary topic for frag swap-QT

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8970407#post8970407 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by gflat65
. Regardless of the medication you use, always shake, swirl, and twist the coral in the meds after treating to remove any stunned animals (most of these meds just stun the pest, so they can still hang on). Inspect closely (with the aid of a magnifying glass) to try to identify signs (munching of the coral, eggs, etc.). Remove all egg sacks (primarily nudis and AEFW'). It is very difficult to see eggs for some of these as they hide them well. If you see eggs, you might want to QT for a little while and re treat them after a week or so and re inspect.

As well as swiriling and whatnot, I use a turkey baster to "blow" the solution at the coral... This can help in dislodging any hanging on pests as well as their eggs... I find this especially usefull for you zoa/paly-addicts... You can get in between the polyps and treat the entire frag, so pests have no where to hide... :uzi:
 
To get rid of bad algae i would break the frag off and remount it to your rock but if it is growing good on the plug then you might not want to remount it. I dont qt but i dip and inspect it good.
 
thats why i own a ogles mososcope

i havent added any new sps to my tank except for people tank that i have seen in person

(i killed a leng sy cap after seeeing a thread like this because i thought i had monti eatting nudis and it ended up being detritis build up) after a few minutes in tap water the coral never made it back

is there any treatment for AEFW-- i have plenty of intercepter-- i dont want monti eatting nudis at all
 
What I've started doing on all incoming SPS is remove the coral from the base and dip in TMPCC. If I see any area where there is no coral tissue, I scrub it with a toothbrush and glue over it, just to be safe. Once you have them, they are there until drastic measures are taken... QT and usually dip again before introducing to the main stock. I haven't gotten anything new in a while, but that was what I had resorted to and will continue. I now have Interceptor, so that will be part of the dip process.
 
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