Hey everyone, I'm sorry to make yet another topic regarding my issues, but the advice I'm receiving in my previous threads has become unclear as the initial topic was brooklynella, which seems to be confusing all repliers.
So here's my situation...
Several months back (nearly a year), I added a Cleaner Goby to my tank after my first passed away due to age (short lived species), I was given bad advice and did not QT him (I was told that they do not get ich as they "eat" it, obviously that was wrong), 3-4 months later he showed "ich spots", it quickly spread to my other fish and then slowly went away (well, not "away", they just no longer showed signs as they built an immunity). During this time, knowing that I'd need to go fallow but not having any experience with treating Ich, I purchased a 40 gallon breeder during a Petco $1/gal sale as well as a HOB filter and some other stuff including some dry rock and live sand, set the tank up and allowed it to cycle in preparation for it to hold my DT fish during my 90 gallon's "fallow period". I purchased two diver's den wrasses I wanted anyway to "practice" TTM, I was successful and surprised how easy it was, after the TTM I QT'd them for an additional 6 weeks then placed them into the 40 gallon along with a small clean up crew purchased from reefcleaners.org, this was back in June. Since then I have only added a handful of corals from trusted sellers (the last one being approximately 5 months back) and a clean-up crew order from reefcleaners.org 2-3 months back (I always "rinse" new invert arrivals as per Sk8tr's suggestion)
About a week ago (last weekend) the ich began to rear it's head again showing signs on my Foxface and Flame Angel and I immediately began to prepare to do the TTM I've been holding off on. However, my Flame Angel looked incredibly pale and was swimming funny, she died within two days (which is why I now believe it to have been Brooklynella and not ich on my Flame Angel), a few days later my clowns began showing white splotches and swimming a bit funny, so I pulled them out and posted these threads. Again, I have no idea how I got Brooklynella in my tank the only theory I can come up with is this: My Flame Angel has had "stringy poop" since I first bought her ~18 months back, the poop was not white but "normal" colored but I treated with prazi-pro regardless. The stringy poop continued so I figured it was just some-type of intestinal issue and not worms/parasitic as she seemed completely normal and healthy otherwise. Now, as the only logical explanation (unless reefcleaners.org stopped using invert-only tanks and has parasites in their tanks :blown: ) that I can come up with is that my FA had brooklynella all this time but had a high immunity to it, finally became stressed enough to release it during the 2nd ich out-break. Is this even possible...? Even if it isn't, my clowns seemed to have definitely had brook...
Now, both my clowns have unfortunately died from the brook during the treatment, however, none of my other fish are showing signs of the brooklynella, just the ich which they already had. So, as I prepare to do TTM for the ich on my remaining three DT fish I am concerned that they are now carriers of brooklynella and have no idea what to do. Whether to go ahead with the TTM and do 1-3 formalin dips between transfers, whether to just do a fresh water dip and then start TTM, whether to do the long-term 5-day formalin solution during the TTM, whether to not worry about it since they show no signs, or what. Setting up 8 week QT tanks for my remaining fish is not a possibility, I do not have the room. I was going to put my Foxface in a 10 gallon QT during my tank's fallow period but I can not keep my other fish with him since he's likely to "freak out" due to lack of space and stab/kill/poison my Diamond Goby (my cleaner goby would likely be fine).
It's a very bad and hard spot I am in (not to mention apparently unique) and am looking for as clear of advice as possible.
Thank you and apologies again for making another thread, I just needed to clearly explain my situation so I can get advice with full understanding of the question. I'd like to start treatment of my fish within the next 24 hours so time is of great importance here. :dance:
So here's my situation...
Several months back (nearly a year), I added a Cleaner Goby to my tank after my first passed away due to age (short lived species), I was given bad advice and did not QT him (I was told that they do not get ich as they "eat" it, obviously that was wrong), 3-4 months later he showed "ich spots", it quickly spread to my other fish and then slowly went away (well, not "away", they just no longer showed signs as they built an immunity). During this time, knowing that I'd need to go fallow but not having any experience with treating Ich, I purchased a 40 gallon breeder during a Petco $1/gal sale as well as a HOB filter and some other stuff including some dry rock and live sand, set the tank up and allowed it to cycle in preparation for it to hold my DT fish during my 90 gallon's "fallow period". I purchased two diver's den wrasses I wanted anyway to "practice" TTM, I was successful and surprised how easy it was, after the TTM I QT'd them for an additional 6 weeks then placed them into the 40 gallon along with a small clean up crew purchased from reefcleaners.org, this was back in June. Since then I have only added a handful of corals from trusted sellers (the last one being approximately 5 months back) and a clean-up crew order from reefcleaners.org 2-3 months back (I always "rinse" new invert arrivals as per Sk8tr's suggestion)
About a week ago (last weekend) the ich began to rear it's head again showing signs on my Foxface and Flame Angel and I immediately began to prepare to do the TTM I've been holding off on. However, my Flame Angel looked incredibly pale and was swimming funny, she died within two days (which is why I now believe it to have been Brooklynella and not ich on my Flame Angel), a few days later my clowns began showing white splotches and swimming a bit funny, so I pulled them out and posted these threads. Again, I have no idea how I got Brooklynella in my tank the only theory I can come up with is this: My Flame Angel has had "stringy poop" since I first bought her ~18 months back, the poop was not white but "normal" colored but I treated with prazi-pro regardless. The stringy poop continued so I figured it was just some-type of intestinal issue and not worms/parasitic as she seemed completely normal and healthy otherwise. Now, as the only logical explanation (unless reefcleaners.org stopped using invert-only tanks and has parasites in their tanks :blown: ) that I can come up with is that my FA had brooklynella all this time but had a high immunity to it, finally became stressed enough to release it during the 2nd ich out-break. Is this even possible...? Even if it isn't, my clowns seemed to have definitely had brook...
Now, both my clowns have unfortunately died from the brook during the treatment, however, none of my other fish are showing signs of the brooklynella, just the ich which they already had. So, as I prepare to do TTM for the ich on my remaining three DT fish I am concerned that they are now carriers of brooklynella and have no idea what to do. Whether to go ahead with the TTM and do 1-3 formalin dips between transfers, whether to just do a fresh water dip and then start TTM, whether to do the long-term 5-day formalin solution during the TTM, whether to not worry about it since they show no signs, or what. Setting up 8 week QT tanks for my remaining fish is not a possibility, I do not have the room. I was going to put my Foxface in a 10 gallon QT during my tank's fallow period but I can not keep my other fish with him since he's likely to "freak out" due to lack of space and stab/kill/poison my Diamond Goby (my cleaner goby would likely be fine).
It's a very bad and hard spot I am in (not to mention apparently unique) and am looking for as clear of advice as possible.
Thank you and apologies again for making another thread, I just needed to clearly explain my situation so I can get advice with full understanding of the question. I'd like to start treatment of my fish within the next 24 hours so time is of great importance here. :dance:
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(formalin is 37% formaldehyde and is the only treatment for brooklynella). For parasitic removal, all effective meds are "poison", with ich there's alternatives like hypo and ttm, but not with brooklynella. In the way of antibiotics and de-wormers you're right though.