Need some suggestions for big skimmer.

Hahn I'm not sure I follow you on the flange. Do you mean a chamfer on the ID of the flange to mate with the cone? Send me a pm and we'll work something out I dont want to hijack this thread.

bobafet1 should have clarified. I was talking about adjusting the skimmer for dry or wet foam.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9601831#post9601831 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by humboldt reefer
Hahn I'm not sure I follow you on the flange. Do you mean a chamfer on the ID of the flange to mate with the cone? Send me a pm and we'll work something out I dont want to hijack this thread.

bobafet1 should have clarified. I was talking about adjusting the skimmer for dry or wet foam.

No worries about hijacking..if its related to building this type of skimmer then we can all learn a little something. The chamfer is exactly what I did to mate the 6" to the 4" tube. As far as adjusting for foam, when I wetskim I get A LOT of foam pouring out the top..Im sure with a 4" diameter Im losing a lot of water. Dry skimming seems to take a bit longer than I would like to wait. I have it set to semi wet skimming..a bit darker tea color versus "take a whif and gag green"
 
Ok, its been a while since I posted here but I wanted to continue this build. I just got an alita 40 and added to the skimmer. Well, what can I say. It bubbles violently and doesnt really work that great at all. The bubbles are huge and very disruptive. Im not sure what Im doing wrong. Everyone said that adding the alita would make a huge difference but this skimmer works better without it. Anyone have advice??
 
Normally I'd say:
Sounds like the alita is too large for your mixing pump to handle everything. You will most likely have to 'bleed off' some of the Alita's output until you get it down to where the pump can handle it again. An Alita 40 is going to do just over 3000lph, a bit much for your pump.

But you have a Dart, which should be capable up to 4000lph, if not at least 3600. Perhaps your water intake is too restricted? If the water intake it too restricted, the pump wont be able to handle all the air. the only dartNW skimmers I have seen with Alita's as standard dont use the venturi anymore... they dont need to. Something tells me that the venturi may not be large enough to pass the air and water.

You can merely control the water intake with a ball valve if you want, as the venturi serves no purpose.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10205384#post10205384 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by hahnmeister
Normally I'd say:
Sounds like the alita is too large for your mixing pump to handle everything. You will most likely have to 'bleed off' some of the Alita's output until you get it down to where the pump can handle it again. An Alita 40 is going to do just over 3000lph, a bit much for your pump.

But you have a Dart, which should be capable up to 4000lph, if not at least 3600. Perhaps your water intake is too restricted? If the water intake it too restricted, the pump wont be able to handle all the air. the only dartNW skimmers I have seen with Alita's as standard dont use the venturi anymore... they dont need to. Something tells me that the venturi may not be large enough to pass the air and water.

You can merely control the water intake with a ball valve if you want, as the venturi serves no purpose.

I think Im confused now. I thought the alitas where plumbed into the venturi intake line. If a venturi is no longer used then how is the air being added to the pump?? Can you clear things up a bit for me please. thanks
 
Well, the alita might be disrupting the normal flow of things in the venturi. I know with Spazz's earlier volcanos, he didnt use a venturi, he just force fed the air into the inlet side of the pump. See, if you are force feeding, all you need on the intake side of the pump is the outlets. The maximum throughput of the pump is not determined by the venturi, it is determined by the pump. Its not a linear proportion, but lets say your pump can take 8000lph with a minimum of 4000lph of water to still function. You could have 2000lph of air with a normal venturi. The venturi acts as a valve, or restrictor, and so the vacuum on the intake end of the pump is created by the venturi. Now, if you are force feeding say, 3000lph of air into the pump, its no longer a matter of restricting the intake of the pump to get the air to come in (think of the venturi as a valve on the water intake, well, if you dont need to control it, because you have control over the air intake which is what matters, then there is no point for it... no point for a venturi). The pump will get 3000lph of air, so its water throughput drops to 5000lph. If you put in 4000lph of air, you will get 4000lph of water. The key is balance though... approaching the point of too much air, you can still get larger bubbles.

Im not sure exactly what your problem is... perhaps some close-up pics of how you have the pump mounted or something. The pump shouldnt have a problem with this amount of air though, so there must be a restriction or 'limiting factor' elsewhere in the system. A restriction on the outlet could even have the same effect.
 
edit to post above... the Alita 40 should be capable of up to 4300lph of air, much more than what I stated earlier (I spaced out). This could in fact be too much for the Dart, but just by a little bit. Try bleeding off some of the air, and see what you get.

The venturi still might be your limiting factor though, as it helps draw in air by restricting the water intake... which when you force feed it, you are still placing a restriction on the pump's water throughput then, and possibly on its maximum potential.
 
Just thought Id give an update on my skimmer...well, I got rid of the ALita since it wasn't really making my skimmer work that great. When I did have the alita hooked up I removed the venturi and DIY'd an air intake pipe so that the dart would suck in more air and water..I was hoping this would solve my problems but didn't do much at all...so I went back to the stock configuration...Dart needlewheel with stock venturi and the skimmer works fine. Thats what I get for trying to do more and more..Also, Ive been running my wet neck and that seems to be helping out a bit with the skimmate...so far everything is running just fine..
 
Ok, got another question for you guys..How fast should the water come out of the wetneck..Im noticing the bubbles from the skimmer shoot up fast when the wet neck is turned on...the skimmate comes out wet but I would still like to get that ugly green foam also..
 
When using a wetneck, it should be on all of the time...you'll have to adjust the water level in the skimmer lower to make up for the wetneck allowing the foam to rise faster.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10430932#post10430932 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by JCTewks
When using a wetneck, it should be on all of the time...you'll have to adjust the water level in the skimmer lower to make up for the wetneck allowing the foam to rise faster.
Ok, so then its normal for the foam to shoot up the skimmer the entire time...thanks..
 
Yeah.. addint a wetneck to a skimmer means you should widen the neck by a good 20% IMO (so from a 5" neck to a 6"), and perhaps a good 20% increase in height as well. A wetneck does often result in this 'shooting effect' as you mention... thats how you know its working! IF your wetneck was made correctly, then all you should have to do is lower the water level. IF the skimmer was merely built like a normal skimmer with regards to neck sizing, then you might be able to lower the water level in the skimmer... or you might have problems.

For the best results with wetnecks, what I have come up with is to make the neck area of the skimmer much taller, so you have a much wider range of adjustment when it comes to using the wetneck, or even continuing to use the skimmer with the wetneck off by simply raising the level.
 
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